Froch gets Cobra'd by Sir Joe!

[LacedUp]

I can honestly see why Yanks think we overhype Froch. Yes he's fought everyone but he's never really separated himself from the top echelon. The fact that it's debatable between him and Kessler over whose number 2 in this era of SMW's say it all.

The night you started saying he's surpassed Joe Calzaghe was after he beat Kessler at the second time of asking in another close-ish fight

I mean....where is the sense in that when Calzaghe humiliated that man when he was undefeated and completely proved he was in a different class to Kessler.

But Kessler's era - where he was prime - was the 00s not the 10s. Kessler was a world champion in '04 and at his peak from '06-'08. In those years Froch was just arriving on the international scene.

Kessler wasn't the same by the time he fought Ward but still had one or two great fights left in him - Froch I for instance.

Froch is definitely the second best of his era. The "Ward" reign if you will. Kessler was definitely the second best of his. The "Calzaghe" era.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I call him Sir Joe to take the piss out of Yanks ffs lol. I thought that much was obvious. And he's retired so will probably get a knighthood soon enough.

When Carl Froch does something that separates him from Joe Calzaghe that isn't "I beat Calzaghe's son in a close rematch", then I might start agreeing with you guys.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

But Kessler's era - where he was prime - was the 00s not the 10s. Kessler was a world champion in '04 and at his peak from '06-'08. In those years Froch was just arriving on the international scene.

Kessler wasn't the same by the time he fought Ward but still had one or two great fights left in him - Froch I for instance.

Froch is definitely the second best of his era. The "Ward" reign if you will. Kessler was definitely the second best of his. The "Calzaghe" era.

Kessler wasn't the same because he got humiliated by Calzaghe in Cardiff at his absolute peak.

This is the guy Froch then went to have two close wars with.

Yeah yeah, "styles make fights".....it has nothing to do with the fact that there's a class gap between the two fighters.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Erm, because both of them have other fights believe it or not. The triangle theory you keep referring to isn't the be and end all, again, believe it or not.

Their resumes were close at the time, very close. And then the Kessler win took him over, again, IMO.

Junior Jones polaxed Barrera, Erik Morales batters Junior Jones.

Manny Pacquaio battered Barrera, Erik Morales beat Pacquaio well.

You reckon Morales is levels above Barrera?

Ahh, triangle theories.

Erik Morales clearly learnt from Barrera's losses.

Carl Froch had been shown twice how to beat Mikkel Kessler and he couldn't do it because he's not in the same class as Andre Ward or Joe Calzaghe.

He's a debatable number 2 SMW of his era. That's his legacy.

[LacedUp]

Kessler wasn't the same because he got humiliated by Calzaghe in Cardiff at his absolute peak.

This is the guy Froch then went to have two close wars with.

Yeah yeah, "styles make fights".....it has nothing to do with the fact that there's a class gap between the two fighters.

Yeah because he didn't bounce straight back win a title with a devastating performance straight after?

Kessler was in his absolute peak around the period where Joe was champion and when they fought. That was Kessler's era. Not this one.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yeah because he didn't bounce straight back win a title with a devastating performance straight after?

Kessler was in his absolute peak around the period where Joe was champion and when they fought. That was Kessler's era. Not this one.

Against who?

[LacedUp]

Against who?

The guy Ward wanted to fight recently.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

The guy Ward wanted to fight recently.

Does he have a name? The *** does that even matter?

[IronDanHamza]

Erik Morales clearly learnt from Barrera's losses.

Carl Froch had been shown twice how to beat Mikkel Kessler and he couldn't do it because he's not in the same class as Andre Ward or Joe Calzaghe.

He's a debatable number 2 SMW of his era. That's his legacy.

Morales went 1-2 with Barrera so not really

According to your logic Morales is levels above Barrera.

According to actual logic, obviously styles make fights. But I think that ones been put to bed.

Froch is #2 of this era. Whereas Calzaghe was #1 in his era. But his era was terrible though.

There's many instances were a #2 of a strong era is better than the #1 of a weak era.

And I agree Froch isn't on Ward's level. Defintely on Calzaghe's level, though.

[IronDanHamza]

Kessler wasn't the same because he got humiliated by Calzaghe in Cardiff at his absolute peak.

This is the guy Froch then went to have two close wars with.

Yeah yeah, "styles make fights".....it has nothing to do with the fact that there's a class gap between the two fighters.

How many examples do you need to know styles make fights? Seriously?

Surely you've seen enough boxing and followed it long enough to know if there are 3 fighters and one beats a fighter better than the other beats the same fighter it doesn't necessarily make them better? Boxing history is literally riddled with examples of that. Not just the ones I've provided.