Comments Thread For: Mayweather-Pacquiao: How Big a Winner Was Haymon?

[elishua F]

When there is a black fighter out there who's dominant and confident , racist complain he's boring or isn't a big enough draw (as if they're profiting from him) . When there was a prominent promoter named Don King who was stealing from his fighters just like his white counterpart Arum , racist complained that those poor black victimized fighters deserve better and that boxing should rid itself of King . Now there's a cunning black executive in boxing who ensures fighters r receiving ample share and all u here now is how he's bad for boxing , and that although his fighters make more , Al is screwing up the game by overcharging the networks for fights (I thought your concern were the fighters?) and that his broadcast sucks (despite the fact their tuning in every time ) . First the concern from a racist was that fighters get fair pay , but now that Haymon has fixed that problem , the new concern is networks getting ripped off , lol . Just admit that your real concern is maintaining white supremacy . One thing I've noticed about racism , is that it will scour the earth for a new mask & costume !

Bingo.. everything you said is on point. Watching the Jack Johnson documentary "Unforgivable Blackness " really shows you how boxing and racism have been linked from the very beginning. All the stuff writers said about Jack I hear it today about Floyd.

[SugarRaRobinson]

PBC so far has done nothing but sink millions and millions down the drain. How long will his investors be patient we will see. But so far the idea was that PBC would slowly grow in ratings. But actually the opposite is true. The NBC ratings has seen a big drop in ratings since they debuted. So has SpikeTV. The attendance has been shaky to bad. With shows with many empty seats and other shows where it's reported they are literally giving away seats for free. All these shows and they have still have not gotten any commercial sponsors to help pay for all this which is why each show is just littered with commercial promo's for PBC events instead of real commercials.

So they aren't getting money from sponsors, they aren't making money from ticket sales, and they are over spending on fight purses, over spending on production, and then paying a flat fee in the millions to the networks to air it. PBC is basically a super expensive infomercial. They are coming out of pocket for all of it. The costs losses are just way too high for this model to sustain itself. You could deal with these losses if the ratings are great and if you are building a strong brand that everyone is talking about. But lets face it other then hardcore boxing fans nobody is talking about PBC. ESPN isn't showing highlights of their fights. Casual fans aren't going to work the next day talking about these fights. The ratings are going down not up and the debut ratings weren't that high to begin with. And now you have lawsuits. I wonder how his investors feel about their return so far and being involved in a huge lawsuit. NBC and SpikeTV don't care because they are getting paid whether they get ratings or not. lol

Lets call a truce ; If the racist bloggers on here just admit you hate Haymon cause he's black (not because he's ruining boxing) , I promise not to criticize or troll u for your personal convictions . If you admit you hate Ward because u can't stomach the sight of a confidant black champion (not because u lie and say he's boring) I'll offer the same pledge . If u just admit u hate most if not all black fighters simply because their black (not because of any of the silly justifications you've used in the past) I solemnly swear to not bully , ridicule or belittle you in any way . Now are u man enough to accept this truce ?

[joseph5620]

I don't always agree with Hauser but I've always enjoyed his articles. The first three parts of this series was kinda bad. I was actually enjoying this one until that absolutely creepy and disgusting ending. Boy, people really don't like "change" huh

Nope and the "change" they don't like is obvious. Very obvious lol.

[IMDAZED]

Nope and the "change" they don't like is obvious. Very obvious lol.

Sucks for them. Slowly but surely it's happening. I'm confused though...did Hauser think that was clever? Was it a threat?

[SugarRaRobinson]

Bingo.. everything you said is on point. Watching the Jack Johnson documentary "Unforgivable Blackness " really shows you how boxing and racism have been linked from the very beginning. All the stuff writers said about Jack I hear it today about Floyd.

I remember that documentary . That's the one where they wouldn't let Jack retire until he was old enough for someone white to finally beat him . Isn't that also the same documentary where the president (I believe it was Teddy Roosevelt ) made the transferral of Jack Johnson's recorded fights across state lines illegal because he was afraid it would be far too damaging to the delicate white psyche ? The saddest part of the documentary is when he finally did lose , the bout went almost 50 rounds in like 110 tempeture outside !

[big_james10]

Does Thomas Hauser write any non-Al Haymon articles anymore?

Boxers: Please help us Mr. Hauser, Al is giving us too much money

Some Fans: Alphabet groups with bs too numerous to mention...fine by me, promoters tricking fighters into horrible contracts...thats cool, guy putting boxing back on primetime national TV, paying fighters more money & getting fighters away from sketchy promoters...this has gotta end!!!!

I don't for the life of me understand all this anti-PBC/Haymon stuff from anyone who claims to love boxing & wanna see boxers better off.

You have to understand that the hatred displayed by people like Hauser and Steve Kim and the fans who post on this message board has nothing to do with the fights that PBC is making and nothing to do with Haymon personally. It is all due to their passive-aggressive hatred of Floyd Mayweather Jr. They are projecting their hatred of Mayweather onto Al Haymon, PBC and anyone remotely associated with Mayweather.

Thurman/Guerrero, Garcia/Peterson, Fonfara/Chavez Jr., Quillin/Lee, Degale/Direll, Porter/Thurman are all fights that real boxing fans have been clamoring to see. No promoter, whether it is Arum, GBP, Don King, Main Events or anyone else has EVER given fans this many quality matchups in one year. In fact, you can add up all the quality matchups that Arum and GBP have provided in the last five years and it still will not equal what Haymon has provided or will provide this year.

If these fights were given to us by Bob Arum or Oscar, these same critics would say that Arum and Oscar are the greatest promoters in history and are providing fans with great fights.

The only reason these clowns s....t on these fights is because they are being promoted by a guy who is associated with Floyd Mayweather. These clowns will watch these fights just like all other fans. However, before and after the fights they will s....t on them while praising mismatches such as Golovkin/Munroe Jr. and Alvarez/Kirkland and fights between b-class opponents like Matthysse/Provodnikov.

They do it strictly because of their hatred for Mayweather. They are so radical with their hatred for Mayweather that they will say anything or support anyone that demonstrates animosity towards Mayweather.

[joseph5620]

Sucks for them. Slowly but surely it's happening. I'm confused though...did Hauser think that was clever? Was it a threat?

One thing I've learned in life is that racist people think they are slick with their comments. As if people can't read them. They believe they have to literally use the N word to reveal what they truly are

This article was transparent and you would think someone of Hauser's stature would know better.

[MC Hammer]

Did this fool ass writer really imply that if Haymon continues to be more successful than his peers, that he will be figuratively strung up by his neck, and we would all celebrate?

Is that where he is now? I mean everyone here talks about how much a pro TR writer he is but was he so bitter about the commercial success of the May-Pac event and how well Haymon cashed in that he said wants the hanged? This is like when Jessie Jackson was hating on Barrack ***** and wanted his nut cut.

Then he has the audacity to "try to get his" off the event, produced by Haymon, and write a trash ass series based on one fight. I guess I gotta check the writer's names before I visit because I damn sure will not give him a pay-per-click.

[SugarRaRobinson]

You have to understand that the hatred displayed by people like Hauser and Steve Kim and the fans who post on this message board has nothing to do with the fights that PBC is making and nothing to do with Haymon personally. It is all due to their passive-aggressive hatred of Floyd Mayweather Jr. They are projecting their hatred of Mayweather onto Al Haymon, PBC and anyone remotely associated with Mayweather.

Thurman/Guerrero, Garcia/Peterson, Fonfara/Chavez Jr., Quillin/Lee, Degale/Direll, Porter/Thurman are all fights that real boxing fans have been clamoring to see. No promoter, whether it is Arum, GBP, Don King, Main Events or anyone else has EVER given fans this many quality matchups in one year. In fact, you can add up all the quality matchups that Arum and GBP have provided in the last five years and it still will not equal what Haymon has provided or will provide this year.

If these fights were given to us by Bob Arum or Oscar, these same critics would say that Arum and Oscar are the greatest promoters in history and are providing fans with great fights.

The only reason these clowns s....t on these fights is because they are being promoted by a guy who is associated with Floyd Mayweather. These clowns will watch these fights just like all other fans. However, before and after the fights they will s....t on them while praising mismatches such as Golovkin/Munroe Jr. and Alvarez/Kirkland and fights between b-class opponents like Matthysse/Provodnikov.

They do it strictly because of their hatred for Mayweather. They are so radical with their hatred for Mayweather that they will say anything or support anyone that demonstrates animosity towards Mayweather.

You've made some EXCELLENT points , but unfortunately have surmised the wrong conclusion . It's not Mayweather per se , as it is the Mayweather archetypal figure/image that so wonderfully disturbs and agitates the white racist . The archetypal image I speak of is Black,bold,brash,trash-talking,rich,confident,arrogant and his own boss in every sense of the word with no white puppet strings attached . This is why u always hear racist on here talk about confidant black fighters needing to be humbled ! The best example I can give u is John McEnroe who was All the adjectives I mentioned earlier about Floyd but was white and white people absolutely LOVED this guy , as whiny as he was they didn't care . He even through temper tantrums on the court like a 5 year old and white America still adored him . So it's not about Floyd per se , as much as it is about what Floyd represents to the white racist psyche .

[big_james10]

The good thing about this type of racial hatred that is aimed at successful African-Americans is that it doesn't work now like it has in the past. It doesn't accomplish what the perpetrator intended. The racists came at ***** from every possible angle -- he wasn't born in America, he is ******, his preacher is racist, he pals around with *********, etc.; yet, he still was elected POTUS and was re-elected.

The haters in the boxing community have come at Floyd Mayweather from every angle for years. They have exaggerated every negative thing he has done, was accused of doing or anything they think he might have done. Yet, he is still the biggest selling PPV attraction in boxing. he still has participated in the three biggest PPVs in history. He will make somewhere between $200 and $300 million for the Pacquaio fight, which is more money in one night than every other boxer or pro athlete in history has made in his entire career (with the exception of Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan).

Now, the racists are aiming their darts at Haymon. Yet, that didn't stop Haymon from securing $400 million from investors to launch PBC. It didn't stop him from becoming the most influential man in boxing and it didn't stop him from acquiring the biggest stable of boxers that any promoter or manager has ever acquired.

The hatred and racism against black men in boxing is just as bad as it was in the Jack Johnson era. The good thing about it is that it is not stopping people like Mayweather and Haymon from being successful.