Comments Thread For: Mayweather-Pacquiao: How Big a Winner Was Haymon?

[Weebler I]

Comparing PBC to HBO/Showtime is apples and oranges. The PBC cards shouldn't be as good, why? THE CARDS ARE ARE AIRED ON FREE BASIC CABLE! What did u expect Mayweather/Pac to be on PBC? Cotto\Canelo?

It needs to attract sponsorship in order to survive, therefore it needs to be good. It's still early and there is time to turn it around but it's been a C+ kind of performance from them so far.

boxing in general hasnt captured the public's imagination. im failing to see your point. Dirrell vs DeGale was mandated sure, but it didnt havt to happen. It was a fight both sides wanted and PBC did an excellent job putting it together. You seem to just be looking for reasons to disparage a Haymon run venture. its kinda sad, because theres very little to suggest PBC is doing bad in the american public. Does it have a long way to go? Sure. But talking about it failing before its even been a year speaks volumes about u as a boxing fan.

I'm saying it how it is, they haven't set the world on fire and it's been a bit of a damp squib so far. You really disagree and think it's been full of barnburners and exciting match-ups? there's no real reason why it couldn't have been but it just hasn't.

im failing to see your point. Dirrell vs DeGale was mandated sure, but it didnt havt to happen. It was a fight both sides wanted and PBC did an excellent job putting it together.

The IBF put DeGale-Dirrell together, PBC just won the purse bid. Purely for the boxing fan, since you bring it up, it would have been better off in the UK where it would've drawn a large crowd and likely more viewers. Instead it's in Boston where neither fighter has a fanbase. That's by the bye though.

[dc3383]

In reality PBC has put on more evenly matched fights than HBO has. In last two years HBO probably broadcasted going into the 3 evenly matched fights. B-Hop vs Krusher, Rigo vs Donaire and prob Walters vs Donaire. Even those turned out to be mismatches. But they get away with because it's exciting never mind it's a mismatch. Garcia vs Salka was exciting by that standard but it was labeled the worst thing in boxing that can happen. Exciting only matters when it's for the person you like.

[Kagami Taiga]

It needs to attract sponsorship in order to survive, therefore it needs to be good. It's still early and there is time to turn it around but it's been a C+ kind of performance from them so far.



I'm saying it how it is, they haven't set the world on fire and it's been a bit of a damp squib so far. You really disagree and think it's been full of barnburners and exciting match-ups? there's no real reason why it couldn't have been but it just hasn't.



The IBF put DeGale-Dirrell together, PBC just won the purse bid. Purely for the boxing fan it would have been better off in the UK where it would've drawn a large crowd and likely more viewers. Instead it's in Boston where neither fighter has a fanbase. That's by the bye though.

but what are u comparing it to??? because to be honest there hasnt been many great matchups any where in boxing this year. that goes for HBO for Showtime and everywhere else. But lets pick and choose what we like now right? i mean who the **** asked for Golovkin vs. Monroe. Or Alvarez vs. Kirkland. Those were crappy matchups. And what else does HBO have going on this year? More of nothing. Keep it real and stop with the fanboy crap. PBC is not doing and better or worse than the rest of the boxing networks with their matchups.

And DeGale vs. Dirrell wasnt that difficult to make, and its happening in Boston because oe team won the pruse bid. Thats how it works. If they didnt want it that way, they should have put up more money. Where the fight happens is between the fighters.

[Cool Scant]

I usually like Hauser but he really should stop the negativity against Mayweather and Haymon. If I was Floyd, I wouldn't have let him in the MGM either. There is no place for negativity at my event.

[bigdunny1]

PBC so far has done nothing but sink millions and millions down the drain. How long will his investors be patient we will see. But so far the idea was that PBC would slowly grow in ratings. But actually the opposite is true. The NBC ratings has seen a big drop in ratings since they debuted. So has SpikeTV. The attendance has been shaky to bad. With shows with many empty seats and other shows where it's reported they are literally giving away seats for free. All these shows and they have still have not gotten any commercial sponsors to help pay for all this which is why each show is just littered with commercial promo's for PBC events instead of real commercials.

So they aren't getting money from sponsors, they aren't making money from ticket sales, and they are over spending on fight purses, over spending on production, and then paying a flat fee in the millions to the networks to air it. PBC is basically a super expensive infomercial. They are coming out of pocket for all of it. The costs losses are just way too high for this model to sustain itself. You could deal with these losses if the ratings are great and if you are building a strong brand that everyone is talking about. But lets face it other then hardcore boxing fans nobody is talking about PBC. ESPN isn't showing highlights of their fights. Casual fans aren't going to work the next day talking about these fights. The ratings are going down not up and the debut ratings weren't that high to begin with. And now you have lawsuits. I wonder how his investors feel about their return so far and being involved in a huge lawsuit. NBC and SpikeTV don't care because they are getting paid whether they get ratings or not. lol

[Weebler I]

but what are u comparing it to??? because to be honest there hasnt been many great matchups any where in boxing this year. that goes for HBO for Showtime and everywhere else. But lets pick and choose what we like now right? i mean who the **** asked for Golovkin vs. Monroe. Or Alvarez vs. Kirkland. Those were crappy matchups. And what else does HBO have going on this year? More of nothing. Keep it real and stop with the fanboy crap. PBC is not doing and better or worse than the rest of the boxing networks with their matchups.

Did you see the fan reaction to those fights? boxing fans were buzzing. Same for Matthysse-Provodnikov, Kovalev-Pascal. Even last weekend, with Gonzalez-Sosa and Golovkin-Monroe. Excitement was the order of the day.

You can say they were crap match ups on paper if that's your opinion but you can't deny the entertainment level of the bouts.

Thurman-Guerrero had that sort of reaction, and to a lesser extent Garcia-Peterson but there haven't been enough bouts of that level to really grasp the market.

I am being honest on what I see, I praise what is good on PBC like the fights above but contrary to your view I'm really not that invested to continue debating it. You just don't agree and that's fair enough, all good.

[Pigeons]

Hauser might as well throw his Pulitzer into the fire he's trying to burn Haymon with.

[marcus2324]

bro its because when a black man is taking down the power structure, it ruffles feathers and they don't want to see that. These promoters and white (some Black and Hispanic) fans don't mind fighters leaving the sport broke and not being able to to talk. Look at muhammad ali. They hated him back when he was boxing but now that he is old and can't talk and is sick now they love him. **** is ridiculous

[marcus2324]

In reality PBC has put on more evenly matched fights than HBO has. In last two years HBO probably broadcasted going into the 3 evenly matched fights. B-Hop vs Krusher, Rigo vs Donaire and prob Walters vs Donaire. Even those turned out to be mismatches. But they get away with because it's exciting never mind it's a mismatch. Garcia vs Salka was exciting by that standard but it was labeled the worst thing in boxing that can happen. Exciting only matters when it's for the person you like.

Yea bro thurman has a knockout % almost like GGG but they don't call him exciting. Im trying to get people to understand boxing is about RACE/COUNTRY/PRIDE. Hell we from america and can't even get the country behind us (black people)

[-Johannes-]

I still don't understand why would a boxing fan, want this PBC thing to fail? How is it bad? It hasn't been long and they put some good cards with good fights. Not everything they do will be magical but it's boxing!

If Haymon was so bad for the sport his fighters would be suing HIM not other companies.

I don't know, I don't wish anything bad on anything boxing related. I really wished people knew more about the sport because most people are neophytes and like roger says they don't know ****.