Pacquiao Clean Punches Against Mayweather

[Johnwoo8686]

You're only clowning yourself with each consecutive post you make defending Fraud's win over what you foolishly believe to be a "prime" Canelo.

So prime is determined by physical and mental peak now? Changing your stance so quick after I completely derailed your initial argument. And for the record, males NEVER stop producing testosterone, dummy. The flatline that you mentioned can only be caused by medical reasons.

My god are you ignorant.This is just sad. Do you know anything about sports science at all? I never said males stop producing testosterone I said testosterone levels flatline at 25 and then drop after 30 which is why most athletes start to decline at 30 and sometimes even younger.

Do you even understand the concept of an athlete's "prime?" Or is that just a word you hear over and over and you just assumed what the meaning is? An athlete's prime is determined by his physical and mental peak. It's always been that way. Do some research before you come on here trying to debate.

And common sense combined with the fact that we've presented you with numerous fighters who were prime at that age should tell you Canelo was prime when he and Floyd fought. Just WOW

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I was obviously referring to the third fight, and we aren't discussing Ali or Frazier, so stay on topic.

Who has Canelo beaten before facing Fraud that would lead you to believe that he was in his "prime"? Let's compare him to his contemporaries like Vargas and ODLH.

When ODLH was 23, he already had wins over Genaro Hernandez, Rafael Ruelas, Jeff Mayweather, and J.J. Molina. All of them were elite opposition.

Vargas at 23 was fighting guys like Tito Trinidad, Raul Marquez, Ike Quartey, and Winky Wright.

Although Alvarez had already racked up 44 career wins prior to facing Floyd, he was yet to fight any elite level opposition. The first opponent that you can even consider to be "elite" was Austin Trout, and he was well on his way to losing that fight if he hadn't scored a knockdown.

Haha the way you spin things to suit your agenda!

Canelo was losing to Trout before the knockdown but I bet you had Manny beating Floyd?!

[IR0NFIST]

My god are you ignorant.This is just sad. Do you know anything about sports science at all? I never said males stop producing testosterone I said testosterone levels flatline at 25 and then drop after 30 which is why most athletes start to decline at 30 and sometimes even younger.

Do you even understand the concept of an athlete's "prime?" Or is that just a word you hear over and over and you just assumed what the meaning is? An athlete's prime is determined by his physical and mental peak. It's always been that way. Do some research before you come on here trying to debate.

And common sense combined with the fact that we've presented you with numerous fighters who were prime at that age should tell you Canelo was prime when he and Floyd fought. Just WOW

Do you realize that there are many factors that can contribute to a "flatline" or decrease in testosterone? Such as underlying medical conditions, or past PED abuse. Making faulty generalizations shows how desperate you are to prove a point.

So an athletes prime is determined by physical and mental peak now? If that's the case, then Canelo definitely wasn't in his prime when he fought Floyd, seeing as how he's still growing and is entertaining a fight with GGG and Cotto at 160 lbs.

[Johnwoo8686]

You do realize that there are many factors that can contribute to a "flatline" or decrease in testosterone? Such as underlying medical conditions, or past PED abuse. Making faulty generalizations shows how desperate you are to prove an invalid point.

So an athletes prime is determined by physical and mental peak now? If that's the case, then Canelo definitely wasn't in his prime when he fought Floyd. Seeing as how he's still growing, and is entertaining a fight with GGG and Cotto at 160 lbs.

Yes there are other factors that can affect T levels in men but that is not what we're talking about. Its a scientific fact that testosterone peaks at 25 then stabilizes then drops at 30. Just because Canelo is a fat ass inbetween fights does not mean he's still growing. He's too small to hang with true middleweights.

I haven't made any faulty "allegations" I just spit facts at you. Like I said before, if you combine the years Canelo has been a pro, his age, and his number of fights most people would agree he's at his prime now.

Stop spinning things to suit your agenda.

[Chollo Vista]

Here we are almost 50 pages into this thread and the following still hasn't changed:

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[IR0NFIST]

Yes there are other factors that can affect T levels in men but that is not what we're talking about. Its a scientific fact that testosterone peaks at 25 then stabilizes then drops at 30. Just because Canelo is a fat ass inbetween fights does not mean he's still growing. He's too small to hang with true middleweights.

I haven't made any faulty "allegations" I just spit facts at you. Like I said before, if you combine the years Canelo has been a pro, his age, and his number of fights most people would agree he's at his prime now.

Stop spinning things to suit your agenda.

Here's a quote taken directly from one of your previous post.

"prime is determined by his physical and mental peak."

So by your estimates, Canelo was definitely NOT in his prime when he fought Floyd, seeing as how he was only 23 years old; which is 2 years short of the "physical peak" that you consider to to be "prime".

Why do you continue to contradict yourself?

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Yes there are other factors that can affect T levels in men but that is not what we're talking about. Its a scientific fact that testosterone peaks at 25 then stabilizes then drops at 30. Just because Canelo is a fat ass inbetween fights does not mean he's still growing. He's too small to hang with true middleweights.

I haven't made any faulty "allegations" I just spit facts at you. Like I said before, if you combine the years Canelo has been a pro, his age, and his number of fights most people would agree he's at his prime now.

Stop spinning things to suit your agenda.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110607121129.htm

[IR0NFIST]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0607121129.htm

How dare you question the knowledge of an armchair scientist!

[Calabis]

I was obviously referring to the third fight, and we aren't discussing Ali or Frazier, so stay on topic.

Who has Canelo beaten before facing Fraud that would lead you to believe that he was in his "prime"? Let's compare him to his contemporaries like Vargas and ODLH.

When ODLH was 23, he already had wins over Genaro Hernandez, Rafael Ruelas, Jeff Mayweather, and J.J. Molina. All of them were elite opposition.

Vargas at 23 was fighting guys like Tito Trinidad, Raul Marquez, Ike Quartey, and Winky Wright.

Although Alvarez had already racked up 44 career wins prior to facing Floyd, he was yet to fight any elite level opposition. The first opponent that you can even consider to be "elite" was Austin Trout, and he was well on his way to losing that fight if he hadn't scored a knockdown.

But when his only other loss was to Mayweather and its brought up as a good win, you and the Pacboys **** on him, yet he was elite for De La Hoya

Oh by the way Canelo's promoter on his "Non Prime" Fighter

Oscar De La Hoya of Golden Boy Promotions seems to be bummed out that Floyd Mayweather Jr. won't fight one of De La Hoya's Golden Boy stable fighters in WBC junior middleweight champion Saul Canelo Alvarez (41-0-1, 30 KO's), so now De La Hoya is saying the reason why Mayweather doesn't want to is because he's afraid of fighting Canelo.

De La Hoya told ***************.com Unfortunately, Floyd didn't want to sign a contract in advance to fight Canelo. So ask yourself this: Is Floyd scared to fight Canelo? I think he is in order to beat Mayweather you don't need to be a strong fighter; you need to be a smart fighter, which Canelo is.

Just like on this board, Floyd was scared, Floyd is going to lose....after fight..."weight drained" " he was green/not ready".....you guys constantly



Floyd was past his prime, but let me guess....that means nothing

[ADP02]

Ali's own trainer called his rope a dope tactics crazy and ******. Ali held WAY more than Mayweather held Pacquiao. Khan last night held more than Floyd did. Ricky Hatton's fights were often clinch fests. The difference between Mayweather Pacquiao and those fights is that it brought out way more casuals this time. Most people who criticize Floyd for "hugging" probably have never seen an Ali fight in full, probably only highlights.

Ali wasn't expected to beat George Foreman for the simpler fact that he had an inferior record at the time. Mayweather Pacquiao had the reverse. Floyd was considered superior which is why people weren't all that impressed. He simply went out and did what he was supposed to do.

What are you even talking about. It was promoted as "The fight of the Century." What Floyd did is stop the action and the flow of the fight. When people called it a hug feast, it meant that there was no fight due to Floyd's fouls and style. Floyd didn't just hug. Besides the hugging there was lots of head locks, running, pushing off, bending below the waist and so on.

For 2 HWs, there was more action available in those 8 rounds than 12 for Floyd. At times they were fighting like they were in a phone booth. Only reason there was not more is due to the high heat and Foreman was so used to taking out his opponents early that he wasn't used to fighting more than a few rounds.

Nobody is saying that others don't do it. Khan of late and Wladimir are also known for that. It usually is allowed when there is some "home cooking" or who they are.

Once they get out of their home territory, you see what can happen.
- Hatton got a point deducted as the away fighter while Floyd was allowed to elbow.
- Khan was deducted 2 points for pushing off against Peterson.
- Wladimir was deducted a point for holding in his last fight in the USA.

Floyd? Being the homer helps. Having the ref that allows it helps too.