Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter Not Ruling Out Lara Bout

[deanrw]

Thurman is one of my favorite fighters but... there is no way he beats Floyd. What else can I say to undermine my favorite fighters? Cotto IS my favorite fighter but... he is an as$hole and is a diva making it hard to make fights happen. Everyone has a flaw, no one is perfect wtf... GGG is one of my favorite fighters, I don't want to see him in fights he'll handily win.

Unreal how if you hold a fighter accountable it means you're a hater. If he's my favorite fighter I'm supposed to ride his jock and not talk about any of his flaws. Yet, if I did that I'd be a stan, get over yourself it's called fair criticism.

Unfortunately, that is how the torch gets passed. Dominant fighters come along and unseat the old guard. It is honorable and the way it should be done. Did anyone think Julio would beat Kostya? Oscar? He was getting up there in miles. We all knew what would happen.

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I do understand the business, more than you obviously. GGG isn't PPV, why should Canelo and Cotto fight him? It's not different than GGG saying Ward isn't PPV why should he fight him? The draw thing works both ways, GGG PPV caliber yet so why should Cotto and Canelo only go off their names for all the risk? Exactly like GGG is thinking, he's not PPV but he's a much bigger draw than Ward.

Also, 168 was already cleaned up by a guy named Ward. It'd be the guy who cleared 160 vs the guy who cleared 168... That's a great ****ing fight to make, GGG and company aren't too eager because it's not going to make much money. Cotto/GGG would make money... but Cotto/Canelo and Cotto/Mayweather II make more.

As for the last paragraph I could care less.

Here you are starting again with your bull****. I thought we were finally going to have a decent conversation and argument. I see you're a big Cotto fan, I now understand why you're hating on GGG hard.
Cotto and Canelo are big but they are not big ppv fighters either. If they were they would sell us Cotto vs Geale and Canelo vs Kirkland on PPV, but they didn't. Cotto and Canelo are not like Manny and Floyd were they can sell PPV's against anyone, they need a good dance partner. So much for understanding the business. They're definitely bigger stars than GGG, but guess what GGG has only been in American for less than 3 years and he's already catching up.

GGG has not cleaned up the 160 division I already gave you a list of names he could fight. I could care less that you think that those are mismatches, it's not GGG's fault he's better than everyone. Just admit that your scared for Cotto. If GGG wasn't at Middlweight everyone would be saying how strong the 160 division is. People like just want to pretend it's weak so you can discredit GGG. Name me 5 divisions that have more depth than Middlweight, Super Middleweight sure as hell doesn't.
Maybe Ward did clean up the division but the guy has been so inactive and that was years ago, new challenges have arisen. There's also three more belts to capture, it seems to me Ward still has work to do haha.

Keep on hating man!!!

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Here you are starting again with your bull****. I thought we were finally going to have a decent conversation and argument. I see you're a big Cotto fan, I now understand why you're hating on GGG hard.
Cotto and Canelo are big but they are not big ppv fighters either. If they were they would sell us Cotto vs Geale and Canelo vs Kirkland on PPV, but they didn't. Cotto and Canelo are not like Manny and Floyd were they can sell PPV's against anyone, they need a good dance partner. So much for understanding the business. They're definitely bigger stars than GGG, but guess what GGG has only been in American for less than 3 years and he's already catching up.

GGG has not cleaned up the 160 division I already gave you a list of names he could fight. I could care less that you think that those are mismatches, it's not GGG's fault he's better than everyone. Just admit that your scared for Cotto. If GGG wasn't at Middlweight everyone would be saying how strong the 160 division is. People like just want to pretend it's weak so you can discredit GGG. Name me 5 divisions that have more depth than Middlweight, Super Middleweight sure as hell doesn't.
Maybe Ward did clean up the division but the guy has been so inactive and that was years ago, new challenges have arisen. There's also three more belts to capture, it seems to me Ward still has work to do haha.

Keep on hating man!!!

I'm not hating...

You're just telling me Ward isn't a big enough draw for GGG. I get it, I understand. You just get pissed off when hearing GGG isn't a big enough draw for Canelo and Cotto. It's not hate, you just can't handle reality.

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Unfortunately, that is how the torch gets passed. Dominant fighters come along and unseat the old guard. It is honorable and the way it should be done. Did anyone think Julio would beat Kostya? Oscar? He was getting up there in miles. We all knew what would happen.

I like to think the torch was passed when Cotto beat Mosley in a tough fight, no beatdown was necessary. Floyd vs Oscar same thing, no beatdown, torch passed. Cotto/Canelo (I think Cotto wins wide) but if Canelo won, it wouldn't be a beatdown it'd be a close fight and a torch was passed.

Getting beatdown is a cashing out fight, Cotto isn't ready for that and can be in the sport a few more years before that.

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So GGG fans... why does Lara have to move up to 160 to be considered an opponent but Gabe Rosado didn't have to?

Don't understand your question. Obviously Lara would have to fight Golovkin at 160, thus the moving up part.

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Would be a proper test for Golovkin.

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I never said he should fight Lara, I even replied to you saying GGG can't do anything at 160 to impress me anymore. Why would that mean fight a guy a division below you?

Not you specifically, I'm talking about most this forum keeps saying GGG needs to fight lara. Only you, myself and maybe a couple other people recognize Lara is too small for GGG and wouldn't be much of a test. But he slick doe...

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I'm not hating...

You're just telling me Ward isn't a big enough draw for GGG. I get it, I understand. You just get pissed off when hearing GGG isn't a big enough draw for Canelo and Cotto. It's not hate, you just can't handle reality.

LOL I've never said anything about Ward not being a big enough draw for GGG. GGG is going to destroy Cotto!!
You're not even coming up with any type of points. You're the one getting pissed, you know GGG is coming for Cotto and it hurts you!
You're trying to make these excuses as to why GGG has to move up and they don't even make sense, that's why you have several counter replies.

[cupocity303]

I'm not hating, I want competition. Who in their right mind thinks Cotto beats GGG seriously? No one, I don't care if Cotto gives up the belt or not it's a mismatch. GGG/Canelo is a mismatch...

If GGG fights the same level of fighter at 168 as he does at 160, he'd still get more credit because it's a DIVISION HIGHER. They WILL handle is power better, they WILL throw stronger punches, the WILL push GGG more. As a fan that's what I want, not a ****ing mismatches like we've been getting.

I'm a Miami fan, I'd rather they play the Ravens, Pats and Broncos more than the ****ing Redskins, Bucs and Browns because they are tough games. Even if they lose at least I know how good they are, beating up on **** or smaller guys doesn't do **** for me. It might satisfy some of the clowns on here who watch boxing for violence, I watch for the art and sweet science of it.

Tyson running through guys, I could care less he wasn't a great fighter. GGG running through guys, he could be great he's proved at MW. Now, he can move up in weight. Tyson couldn't do that but he stepped up competition. Instead you GGG fans look for reasons for him to AVOID challenging himself and then proclaim he's the baddest man on the planet. I say the same thing, he is the baddest man on the planet but I want him to prove it, not just run his mouth. A win over any SMW is better than a win over Cotto, period the end. Even if Cotto is the best fighter he's faced and Cotto would be, the size makes it a mismatch.

So it's not hate, it's wanting a guy to test himself not pick on smaller guys and then have his fans make excuse after excuse for it. I give Canelo **** for making JMW's fight at MW, even by a pound. I'm not a stan, I don't play both sides of the ****ing fence. Don't make a guy from JMW move up to face you, especially AFTER you beat every MW out there. What the ****? Cotto might be fighting leftovers at a CW, he's not fighting left overs, in a division lower and making them move up. GGG can move up, make money, albeit not as much but earn my respect.

He doesn't do that, he wants money and I get that. But so do Cotto, Canelo and every other fighter out there. I'm hearing he can't do Ward because Ward isn't a PPV fighter. Neither is GGG, he needs Canelo and Cotto because they ARE PPV fighters, without them GGG won't get paid. GGG isn't a PPV fighter though, so why do Canelo and Cotto want to fight him?

What's the rush fella? He will move up to 168 some day, JUST NOT NOW WHEN YOU SAY HE SHOULD.

You gotta love today's immediate gratification nation. It's all me, me, me - give me what I want now. How about no? How about he solidifies his standing as a Middleweight Champ first by unifying the titles, on top of his already 15 title defenses. Then he can move up. Sound good? In the mean time, Ward can take his P4P skills and move up to 175 already. After all, he is the one who supposedly doesn't rely on size or strength like GGG, but pure skills.

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Wha... Kirkland had Canelo on the ropes in minute and kept him there with pitter patter punches. It's a Hagler/Hearns for 1 - 3 rounds and then it's Cotto/Margarito from the 4th until the bell rings. Canelo is in the ropes 10x's more than Cotto ever was and GGG is a far bigger puncher than Margarito.

Yeah i disagree with you fully on this one. I think this fight is very competitive, it's awesome for the fans, for the sport, etc. Canelo is more than capable of hanging with GGG. Would he survive the full 12? Personally I don't think so, but I think it would be a hell of a fight, one that Canelo would test GGG like no other.