Comments Thread For: HBO's Nelson on The New Pact With Sergey Kovalev

[The Big Dunn]

I imagine it will be Golden Boy that will be the least interested in making Canelo-Golovkin anytime soon. I imagine that if Cotto fights Mayweather then maybe Lemieux (should he defeat N'Dam) may face Canelo or Golovkin but i'm not sure, none of those options are terrible though, just not ideal. I really don't see some pattern of decline with HBO, more the opposite because at least their new stars are exciting fighters now which wasn't always the case in the last few years.

Yes Kovalev and Main Events might well have shown themselves to be hypocrites, it really depends on whether you think that Kovalev did pretty much exactly the same thing that Stevenson did last year or not. I don't want to go over all that stuff again, i've posted about it before and i'm tired to death with it. All I will say though is that i'm very confident that Kovalev would face Stevenson but that i'm far less confident on the reverse.

I'm not sure why you keep maintaining that Haymon is somehow not involved in Kovalev's decision-making, Haymon and his whole promotional venture with PBC is a vital component in all of this.

The fighters didn't change their style-their competition level is getting weaker and guys are getting fights solely based on their ability to take a beating and not win.

Is that really exciting to you as a fan? Had Canelo, for example fought Floyd like he did Kirkland, then you'd have had excitement.

Well, Kov's actions proved you should be concerned about both equally since they both have done the same thing relative to this fight.

Come on Humean, lets be adults here and stop holding other people accountable when a man makes a questionable decision or one we do not agree with.

HBO made the moves they did in reaction to them seeing a potential purse bid loss-that we can agree on.

Kov's decision to allow Kathy to renege on the mando spot agreement, withdraw from the purse bid, and then resign with HBO knowing this closed the pathway to a Stevenson fight right now is solely Kov's decision.

Haymon was in no way involved with that.

[Humean]

The fighters didn't change their style-their competition level is getting weaker and guys are getting fights solely based on their ability to take a beating and not win.

Is that really exciting to you as a fan? Had Canelo, for example fought Floyd like he did Kirkland, then you'd have had excitement.

Well, Kov's actions proved you should be concerned about both equally since they both have done the same thing relative to this fight.

Come on Humean, lets be adults here and stop holding other people accountable when a man makes a questionable decision or one we do not agree with.

HBO made the moves they did in reaction to them seeing a potential purse bid loss-that we can agree on.

Kov's decision to allow Kathy to renege on the mando spot agreement, withdraw from the purse bid, and then resign with HBO knowing this closed the pathway to a Stevenson fight right now is solely Kov's decision.

Haymon was in no way involved with that.

Kovalev and Golovkin, and now Gonzalez are more exciting that HBO's previous stars, it has nothing at all to do with some decline in the quality of opposition. Those three are three of the best and most exciting fighters who have ever fought in their respective weight classes. I want better opponents for both Kovalev and Golovkin but there is nothing about either fighter that i'm currently finding even remotely boring.

Well I think there is probably (although not definitely) a difference, I don't think Stevenson had any intention of fighting Kovalev and that Stevenson and Haymon played a game of chicken with Kovalev and Duva - and won.

I'm not saying Kovalev isn't accountable for his decision, i'm saying Haymon was an important factor that gives logic to Kovalev's decision. I don't actually disagree with it, in the sense that I would probably have made the same decision myself if I was him.

So what are you saying then, Kovalev should have went through with the purse bids and fought Stevenson on Showtime/NBC regardless of the effects that would have on a future HBO conrtact and Main Events relationship with HBO?

[Y0@NN]

All TR fighters do not have exclusive HBO deals nor are they going to get one.

You didn't answer the questions. is Crawford signed to an exclusive HBO deal? Are you suggesting I left him off because he is black?

When it's a fighter they're (HBO) building they probably do.

I don't know if you left him out on purpose, i supect you did but it's ok, i forgive you.

[Achcauhtli]

All TR fighters do not have exclusive HBO deals nor are they going to get one.

You didn't answer the questions. is Crawford signed to an exclusive HBO deal? Are you suggesting I left him off because he is black?

Why would he suggest that, you arent black....

[The Big Dunn]

Kovalev and Golovkin, and now Gonzalez are more exciting that HBO's previous stars, it has nothing at all to do with some decline in the quality of opposition. Those three are three of the best and most exciting fighters who have ever fought in their respective weight classes. I want better opponents for both Kovalev and Golovkin but there is nothing about either fighter that i'm currently finding even remotely boring.

Well I think there is probably (although not definitely) a difference, I don't think Stevenson had any intention of fighting Kovalev and that Stevenson and Haymon played a game of chicken with Kovalev and Duva - and won.

I'm not saying Kovalev isn't accountable for his decision, i'm saying Haymon was an important factor that gives logic to Kovalev's decision. I don't actually disagree with it, in the sense that I would probably have made the same decision myself if I was him.

So what are you saying then, Kovalev should have went through with the purse bids and fought Stevenson on Showtime/NBC regardless of the effects that would have on a future HBO conrtact and Main Events relationship with HBO?

It's not about yesterday-it's about tomorrow and down the road. I am not saying either guy is boring-I'm asking you are fights with no hopers exciting to you, simply because of how they end?

Excitement used to be about the level of competition, not the degree to which a no hopers face and body contort when the inevitable KO occurs.

That is a self serving opinion, but you are entitled to it. It also absolves Kov of any responsibility for making a decision to avoid the fight, nor are you asking why this decision was made after so much talk on Kov's part. It appears the one who was playing chicken is Kov.

I'm asking Kov to make a decision that matches what he has been saying for so long-that he wants to fight Stevenson. There was no HBO deal-it had been completed. Main events relationship with HBO-so?

regarding HBO's feelings-he doesn't have to have an HBO deal to make a career. but as I said earlier I understand why he resigned.

[The Big Dunn]

When it's a fighter they're (HBO) building they probably do.

I don't know if you left him out on purpose, i supect you did but it's ok, i forgive you.

you still haven't answered the questions.

You are a coward, an idiot and a bigot. Show some courage next time and post what you really feel. That way, your ******ity can be exposed.

We were discussing fighters with exclusive HBO deals, Crawford doesn't have one, that's why I left him out, not because he was black.

Now please, your washer just dinged, time to dry your sheets and pillow cases with two strategically placed holes.

[Humean]

It's not about yesterday-it's about tomorrow and down the road. I am not saying either guy is boring-I'm asking you are fights with no hopers exciting to you, simply because of how they end?

Excitement used to be about the level of competition, not the degree to which a no hopers face and body contort when the inevitable KO occurs.

That is a self serving opinion, but you are entitled to it. It also absolves Kov of any responsibility for making a decision to avoid the fight, nor are you asking why this decision was made after so much talk on Kov's part. It appears the one who was playing chicken is Kov.

I'm asking Kov to make a decision that matches what he has been saying for so long-that he wants to fight Stevenson. There was no HBO deal-it had been completed. Main events relationship with HBO-so?

regarding HBO's feelings-he doesn't have to have an HBO deal to make a career. but as I said earlier I understand why he resigned.

It is not specifically how they end that excites me although I prefer fights to end in knockouts, what is exciting is watching high skilled fighters fight in an aggressive style that take risks whilst throwing extremely hard punches. You are a Mayweather fan are you not? Is it really the level of competition that he faces that excites you or is it his excellence in making his opponents miss and then counter with fast clean punches? Yes exciting competitive fights are the best of all worlds, particularly when they are fought at the highest level of skill but unfortunately not every fight can possibly be like that.

You don't think Kovalev wants to fight Stevenson? You think he is scared of losing? Kovalev-Stevenson can happen on HBO, all the talk by Kovalev and Main Events was no doubt on the basis that they fought that that is where the fight would be but then they discovered that Haymon's project had significantly more funds that they thought. Do you think Haymon actually wanted to make Stevenson-Kovalev? Big match-making gamble, not exactly consistent with Haymon's modus operandi.

I know his previous deal had been completed but so what, how can you possibly maintain that fighting Stevenson on showtime/nbc wouldn't effect a possible new contract with HBO? If Kovalev wants to make a career earning the biggest money in the US then there are only two games in town, HBO or PBC.

[Y0@NN]

you still haven't answered the questions.

I said i didn't know but i guess he has an exclusivity clause, because that makes sense.

You are a coward, an idiot and a bigot. Show some courage next time and post what you really feel. That way, your ******ity can be exposed.

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[The Big Dunn]

It is not specifically how they end that excites me although I prefer fights to end in knockouts, what is exciting is watching high skilled fighters fight in an aggressive style that take risks whilst throwing extremely hard punches. You are a Mayweather fan are you not? Is it really the level of competition that he faces that excites you or is it his excellence in making his opponents miss and then counter with fast clean punches? Yes exciting competitive fights are the best of all worlds, particularly when they are fought at the highest level of skill but unfortunately not every fight can possibly be like that.

You don't think Kovalev wants to fight Stevenson? You think he is scared of losing? Kovalev-Stevenson can happen on HBO, all the talk by Kovalev and Main Events was no doubt on the basis that they fought that that is where the fight would be but then they discovered that Haymon's project had significantly more funds that they thought. Do you think Haymon actually wanted to make Stevenson-Kovalev? Big match-making gamble, not exactly consistent with Haymon's modus operandi.

I know his previous deal had been completed but so what, how can you possibly maintain that fighting Stevenson on showtime/nbc wouldn't effect a possible new contract with HBO? If Kovalev wants to make a career earning the biggest money in the US then there are only two games in town, HBO or PBC.

Yes I am a Floyd fan. I like all styles of fights, but the reason I want Floyd to continue to face top comp is so hopefully one of them can bring out his best. That's all I am asking for here.

I am not asking that every fight be like that-I am responding to the term "excitement" because seeing a no hoper get KTFO as you expected lacks drama, intrigue, suspense and any other elements of "excitement".

I base it on Kov's actions-no he doesn't. I don't think he did before, but based on the most recent actions-yes I think he does.

I think Haymon's fighters are in competitive fights for the most part now that PBC is up. We know why he avoided these kinds of fights last year-the lawsuit. Prior to 2014, he made good fights for the most part.

I didn't say it wouldn't affect it-I said Kov talked a lot about Stevenson and fighting him so when he makes a decision that makes that fight more difficult to make-those actions raise questions for all fans except those that either hate Haymon or love Kov. If Kov did the same thing to a non Haymon fighter my guess is the reaction would be much stronger, as it was when Stevenson did it to Kov.

[The Big Dunn]

I said i didn't know but i guess he has an exclusivity clause, because that makes sense.

You knew, you just were so quick to make it about him being black that you didn't think before you posted. ****** bigots/racists tend to do that.