Comments Thread For: HBO's Nelson on The New Pact With Sergey Kovalev

[bopbopbbe]

Kovalev is fighting his IBF mandatory which was going to happen regardless of any other situation.

Meanwhile Stevenson just fought Sakio Bika and looked like **** at it.

[The Big Dunn]

Which fighters is that a trend with, Golovkin?

Haymon is in the discussion because he is relevant to this whole situation that you were criticizing and also because you are a big Haymon supporter actually criticizing Kovalev for fighting weak opponents and HBO for giving their stars weak opponents.

It is not the judges that are the problem, I very much doubt they'd be needed, the concern is on the part of HBO of allowing Kovalev to fight the biggest fight in the division off their network. These are the situations that make boxing a joke of a sport but that is the reality of things.

GGG to a degree, but we know why. He could choose other options or he could (as he did Sat) press HBO to make one of the big names fight him. Manny/Algieri, Canelo/Kirkland. I'm hoping the trend changes.

A Haymon supporter, cmon dude I expect this from childish trolls. My comments had nothing to do with whether I think what Haymon is doing is good fro the sport or if I reply to people whose posts I disagree with when Haymon is the topic.

My comments are based on what I'm seeing/reading-excitement being given more value than winning, "losing good" being rewarded more than winning, and excitement being pushed over more competitive fights.

Understood, but Kov was in between HBO deals as Kathy stated. This is also given everything he said the past 18 months and everything that went down.

[Humean]

GGG to a degree, but we know why. He could choose other options or he could (as he did Sat) press HBO to make one of the big names fight him. Manny/Algieri, Canelo/Kirkland. I'm hoping the trend changes.

A Haymon supporter, cmon dude I expect this from childish trolls. My comments had nothing to do with whether I think what Haymon is doing is good fro the sport or if I reply to people whose posts I disagree with when Haymon is the topic.

My comments are based on what I'm seeing/reading-excitement being given more value than winning, "losing good" being rewarded more than winning, and excitement being pushed over more competitive fights.

Understood, but Kov was in between HBO deals as Kathy stated. This is also given everything he said the past 18 months and everything that went down.

Manny/Algieri wasn't good but then it probably would have been Manny/Provodnikov if Algieri hadn't put a spanner in the works and that fight would have been more palatable to most, even thouigh it probably wouldn't have been much more competitive. I wasn't high on Canelo Kirkland either as I expected the quick blow-out that materialized, however it was good entertainment so I don't think that is a strong example of a bad trend, although certainly better for it to have been Cotto or Golovkin than Kirkland.

It would certainly effect the sort of deal HBO would be offering Kovalev if Kovalev and Main Events had said they were going to fight Stevenson on PBC before signing any such deal with HBO.

You are a Haymon supporter and I do not believe you that that has nothing to do with your criticism of HBO and Kovalev particularly in light of what you have said in the past when defending various fighters decision making.

[The Big Dunn]

Manny/Algieri wasn't good but then it probably would have been Manny/Provodnikov if Algieri hadn't put a spanner in the works and that fight would have been more palatable to most, even thouigh it probably wouldn't have been much more competitive. I wasn't high on Canelo Kirkland either as I expected the quick blow-out that materialized, however it was good entertainment so I don't think that is a strong example of a bad trend, although certainly better for it to have been Cotto or Golovkin than Kirkland.

It would certainly effect the sort of deal HBO would be offering Kovalev if Kovalev and Main Events had said they were going to fight Stevenson on PBC before signing any such deal with HBO.

You are a Haymon supporter and I do not believe you that that has nothing to do with your criticism of HBO and Kovalev particularly in light of what you have said in the past when defending various fighters decision making.

Well, we obviously disagree regarding the trend. Time will tell. For example-lets say Cotto/ Canelo falls through and cotto fights Floyd in in September. Does HBO make Canelo/GGG or do they give us Canelo/Clottey and GGG/Lee?

Moving forward, Is Gonzalez heade to a rematch of a win or towards another undefeated champion? Kov gonna fight ranked no hopers or is HBO going to allow a Stevenson fight?

Yes it would've, but I'm going on what Kov has been saying for 18 months. You don't always get everything you want. He made his choice-with that choice may come criticism, especially if its a choice that directly contradicts those words.

I am in no way a Haymon supporter. I like some of the things he is doing and have responded to posts I disagree with, especially those that are bigoted/racist. If you choose not to believe me that's fine.

If Kovalev didn't make the choices he made there is nothing for me to comment about. That he did make the choices he did does not involve Haymon.

[Y0@NN]

Post Donaire, HBO seems to have a different strategy for their names. Manny, GGG, and now Canelo (the other names that they have signed to exclusive deals) are likely to be given named opponents who will look good and lose.

That's funny, you "omitted" Crawford.

[The Big Dunn]

That's funny, you "omitted" Crawford.

Does he have an exclusive HBO deal? If he does, my bad. If not, then it appears you are suggesting I left him off because he is black.

Is that what you are suggesting?

Edit-I also omitted Wlad, who has an HBO deal, because the HWT division is garbage which isn't his fault.

[bojangles1987]

I can't like either Kovalev or Stevenson right now. They both played their part in robbing the fans of a great fight.

[Y0@NN]

Does he have an exclusive HBO deal?

He's likely to be since he's top rank.

[Humean]

Well, we obviously disagree regarding the trend. Time will tell. For example-lets say Cotto/ Canelo falls through and cotto fights Floyd in in September. Does HBO make Canelo/GGG or do they give us Canelo/Clottey and GGG/Lee?

Moving forward, Is Gonzalez heade to a rematch of a win or towards another undefeated champion? Kov gonna fight ranked no hopers or is HBO going to allow a Stevenson fight?

Yes it would've, but I'm going on what Kov has been saying for 18 months. You don't always get everything you want. He made his choice-with that choice may come criticism, especially if its a choice that directly contradicts those words.

I am in no way a Haymon supporter. I like some of the things he is doing and have responded to posts I disagree with, especially those that are bigoted/racist. If you choose not to believe me that's fine.

If Kovalev didn't make the choices he made there is nothing for me to comment about. That he did make the choices he did does not involve Haymon.

I imagine it will be Golden Boy that will be the least interested in making Canelo-Golovkin anytime soon. I imagine that if Cotto fights Mayweather then maybe Lemieux (should he defeat N'Dam) may face Canelo or Golovkin but i'm not sure, none of those options are terrible though, just not ideal. I really don't see some pattern of decline with HBO, more the opposite because at least their new stars are exciting fighters now which wasn't always the case in the last few years.

Yes Kovalev and Main Events might well have shown themselves to be hypocrites, it really depends on whether you think that Kovalev did pretty much exactly the same thing that Stevenson did last year or not. I don't want to go over all that stuff again, i've posted about it before and i'm tired to death with it. All I will say though is that i'm very confident that Kovalev would face Stevenson but that i'm far less confident on the reverse.

I'm not sure why you keep maintaining that Haymon is somehow not involved in Kovalev's decision-making, Haymon and his whole promotional venture with PBC is a vital component in all of this.

[The Big Dunn]

He's likely to be since he's top rank.

All TR fighters do not have exclusive HBO deals nor are they going to get one.

You didn't answer the questions. is Crawford signed to an exclusive HBO deal? Are you suggesting I left him off because he is black?