Everyone complains about hugging and holding in the ring...

[NEELZ]

It's BOXING not grappling, not Greco-Roman wrestling, or some variation thereof. This needs to be cleaned up. It should not be a major part of a boxing match. Sometimes the fighters will come close and end up in a clinch, which is inevitable but intentional holding should not be allowed.

I agreed with Holyfield's statement when he wrote on the last Mayweather fight. Boxing needs a summit where the referees, the rules makers, the top people involved with the sport, need to thresh out the rules. They need to decide and write down in clear terms what is holding, when it needs to be warned and when it needs to be penalized.

They need to decide what is scored in a fight. Is a light Mayweather-esque touch punch to be scored the equivalent of a much harder punch and what is the proportionate value?

Before the fight, the referee now goes over a few things, low blows, going to neutral corner. They need to go over the rules of holding also. So that everyone knows, they are not allowed to do it and they can start penalizing for it early.

[brettWall]

Let's call these excessive huggers for what they really are -- ONE DIMENSIONAL. They can't fight on the inside, they run, they clinch, run, clinch...

Ask yourself this, "What if the ref penalizes excessive hugging?" Man these one-dimensional huggers would be doomed. They will become nobodies.

[extracurRICular]

AGAIN! And I will keep posting it everytime somebody bump this thread...Back in Jack Johnson and Jim Jefferies days ref did not break, fighters would have to FIGHT OUT



Pep and Saddler:



Now guys just stare at the refs and wait for rescue so they won't have to fight inside

No new rules are coming so that your favorite fighter can have a better chance at beating guys who uses tactics like clinching so it is up to them to get better on the inside and come up with their own gameplan to deal with that style. Kell Brook did it vs Porter and beat him at his own game!

I know huh?? who keeps bumping my threads???

[mezoomozaa]

But why don't the opponents...(those being hugged and held) do something about it?? what ever happened to not letting yourself be hugged and held?

how about some pushing? or some hitting in the back of the head or some kidney punches? I mean if the other person is gonna implement illegal tactics...why not fight fire with fire?? and let the other fighter pay the price for his tactics or he will stop doing it.....or better yet the ref would maybe start doing his job........

anyone???

I mean

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Khan did it, and was robbed and his career subsequently ruined against Peterson!

[hugh grant]

You can clinch if you need to, you could theoretically say. But that should be a red light to the judges and if they want to make you lose a round for it, it should be at the discretion of the judges and they wont even need to defend themselves on it or explain it.

Even if you land 15 punches and your opponent only lands 10, you can still lose a round. If your clinching stops your opponent landing the extra 6 punches that would have got the punch landed output to 16. Its quite a another way of looking at it, but should be seriously considered.

So the moral of the story is that you clinch at your own risk. When your training and pummelling the punch bag, the punch bag cant clinch or hug you, so why should your opponent be able to? How unfair is that on the punch bag who has to take such a pummeling and beating and being victimised?

You should be able to clinch when your in trouble, because to be able to do it whilst nearly unconscious takes skill and heart. Not whilst your clear headed it just means you scared....ie Floyd mayweather.
You can run if you must, but not clinch, not both, that's too much. Running at least shows endurance and speed.

[Robbie Barrett]

It's BOXING not grappling, not Greco-Roman wrestling, or some variation thereof. This needs to be cleaned up. It should not be a major part of a boxing match. Sometimes the fighters will come close and end up in a clinch, which is inevitable but intentional holding should not be allowed.

I agreed with Holyfield's statement when he wrote on the last Mayweather fight. Boxing needs a summit where the referees, the rules makers, the top people involved with the sport, need to thresh out the rules. They need to decide and write down in clear terms what is holding, when it needs to be warned and when it needs to be penalized.

They need to decide what is scored in a fight. Is a light Mayweather-esque touch punch to be scored the equivalent of a much harder punch and what is the proportionate value?

Before the fight, the referee now goes over a few things, low blows, going to neutral corner. They need to go over the rules of holding also. So that everyone knows, they are not allowed to do it and they can start penalizing for it early.

Holyfield doesn't need to talk about holding, he did enough of it against Tyson.

[hugh grant]

Holyfield doesn't need to talk about holding, he did enough of it against Tyson.

Its only an issue when people make a unbeaten career out of it and boast about that unbeaten record.
Holyfield doesn't do it that much, neither does Pac, he only did it a bit coming off of a ko loss to JMM, but is not known for it. The evidence is in the fact that Holy and Pac throw a hell of a lot of punches each round and come to fight. Can you say that for others?

But when you do it fight after fight then su****ions have to arise about how you don't get knocked out or don't get hit a lot.
Its ok if clinching is mutual and both do it at the same time.

[Daddy T]

But why don't the opponents...(those being hugged and held) do something about it?? what ever happened to not letting yourself be hugged and held?

how about some pushing? or some hitting in the back of the head or some kidney punches? I mean if the other person is gonna implement illegal tactics...why not fight fire with fire?? and let the other fighter pay the price for his tactics or he will stop doing it.....or better yet the ref would maybe start doing his job........

anyone???

I mean

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because these days the refs generally let people especially big stars like wlad and floyd get away with hugging but will immediately penalize somebody for doing what you say. They do it again and they are in big trouble and if they keep doing it then end up getting a DQ and the hugger wins. Look how Kahn got ass rammed for pushing and what not against peterson.

[Robbie Barrett]

Its only an issue when people make a unbeaten career out of it and boast about that unbeaten record.
Holyfield doesn't do it that much, neither does Pac, he only did it a bit coming off of a ko loss to JMM, but is not known for it. The evidence is in the fact that Holy and Pac throw a hell of a lot of punches each round and come to fight. Can you say that for others?

But when you do it fight after fight then su****ions have to arise about how you don't get knocked out or don't get hit a lot.

Mayweather hasn't made a career out of it. The only fights he held too much were Maidana 2 and Hatton IMO. The Pacquiao fight had no more holding than the average fight, only people that haven't watched much boxing would think any different.

[extracurRICular]

Mayweather hasn't made a career out of it. The only fights he held too much were Maidana 2 and Hatton IMO. The Pacquiao fight had no more holding than the average fight, only people that haven't watched much boxing would think any different.