Is it safe to say that no version of Pac beats Mayweather?

[Xi_]

You mean this version?

"it's over! it's over! his eyes are crossed!" i love going on youtube and looking up that ko for a good chuckle.

[!! Shawn]

It would have never been that competetive. For Pacquiao to be as competetive as Castillo, Cotto, or Maidana he'd need that similar WEIGHT ADVANTAGE. Pacquiao was always gonna do about as good as Judah. Anyone who is Floyd's size will be lucky to win 3-4 rounds, like Marquez, Judah and Pacquiao ended up winning, 2-4 rounds. Castillo, DLH, Maidana all imposed their size on Mayweather, which made the fights competetive. Pacquiao was fast and powerful, but he always had the shotty defense, was always 148-150, and always had that lunging-in flaw throughout his whole career when he was green, prime and now. The fight at it's best would have always been 8-4 Mayweather, at best.

Pacqiao's legs made size not an issue. THe whole thing with fighters imposing their size, isnt their actual weight, its imposing their reach. Because when they can touch you from a place you cant touch them, they have the initiative to build momentum off of. Pacquiao use to have the legs to make up that difference. He doesn't anymore.

Watch him vs oscar. The way he is in and out of distance is beautiful.

Even though I picked against him vs Oscar, vs Hatton, vs Cotto... he proved he could match anyone... He went through a string of big fights he wasnt suppose to win where he dominated.

2009-2010 pac would have been a nightmare.

The best time for the fight was right after the Cotto or Hatton fight, but as far as Pacquiao's chances of winning. If he took the Floyd fight instead of the Oscar fight, he would have shocked the world just like Duran did with SRL.

Nobody would have seen him coming, or given him a chance, and Floyd would have underestimated him severely.

[Hype job]

Pacqiao's legs made size not an issue. THe whole thing with fighters imposing their size, isnt their actual weight, its imposing their reach. Because when they can touch you from a place you cant touch them, they have the initiative to build momentum off of. Pacquiao use to have the legs to make up that difference. He doesn't anymore.

Watch him vs oscar. The way he is in and out of distance is beautiful.

Even though I picked against him vs Oscar, vs Hatton, vs Cotto... he proved he could match anyone... He went through a string of big fights he wasnt suppose to win where he dominated.

2009-2010 pac would have been a nightmare.

The best time for the fight was right after the Cotto or Hatton fight, but as far as Pacquiao's chances of winning. If he took the Floyd fight instead of the Oscar fight, he would have shocked the world just like Duran did with SRL.

Nobody would have seen him coming, or given him a chance, and Floyd would have underestimated him severely.

Not only that, but the KO where he was almost killed made him tentative and gunshy as fck.

He was tentative against pillowfisted Bradley.

[Pretty Boy32]

Absolutely correct. He never ever stood a chance.

[IronDanHamza]

Would have been a different fight.

Its like comparing Duran vs Leonard 1 and 3.

If you never saw Duran Leonard 1, you would have sworn there was no way durran could have ever beat Leonard. It was impossible. Leonard was too good, to slick, to precise, to fast. Until Duran made none of that matter.

Reality is Pacquiao is old, wayyyy pas his prime, even further past it that I thought he was, and Floyd is still very close to his prime.

To many wars, to many hard fights, and at 36, when fighters of his style are usually past their best by 32.

"Floyd is still vey close to his prime"

[LittleMacAttack]

"Floyd is still vey close to his prime"

While "very close to his prime" is clearly an overstatement, I do think he was closer to prime than Pac. Pac's style benefits more from youth, and more than that he was mentally wrecked by Marquez.

[puga]

there is a reason why Floyd ducked manny for 6 years and it was even more clear last Saturday....Floyd does not usually run vs southpaws..he ran like 100 miles vs pac despite promising to be aggressive....

[fighter1234]

While "very close to his prime" is clearly an overstatement, I do think he was closer to prime than Pac. Pac's style benefits more from youth, and more than that he was mentally wrecked by Marquez.

No he is not. Don't confuse Floyd's having enough skill to still dominate past his prime with being "close to his prime". If anything, Floyd is more out of his prime than Manny. It hurts, but you need to accept that.

[LittleMacAttack]

No he is not. Don't confuse Floyd's having enough skill to still dominate past his prime with being "close to his prime". If anything, Floyd is more out of his prime than Manny. It hurts, but you need to accept that.

Dude, I said he wasn't close to prime. I'm not even a Manny fan, I was just saying that Manny's style has suffered more as his career went on than Floyd's did.

[trainhard_187]

Doesn't matter anymore.. Floyd won.. Anyone thinkzing Floyd was gonna go toe to toe was fooled.. Do enough to score points, eliminate your opponents strong points, score enough to win rounds then clinch and evade..

Pac should of made it ugly like Maidana did, not wait for openings..