How would Ali fare in todays HW division?

[mezoomozaa]

And his to theirs.

If it's true, it is to much lesser extent. Ali would shine even today, he would publicize people like samuel Peter then beat him.

What I believe had the greater effect on Ali's legacy and stardom is the highly polarized American society of 1960s and the African-american struggle for equality.

I believe Ali would make great deal of police shooting of the young american black today to attract people to the sport, and declare his next fight to be against the police state.

Today's champions fear to challenge the authority or take real risks, they prefer to make controversy in their life revolving around woman beating, drugs, flushing money in toilet. That is why they will leave without too much to remember.

[mezoomozaa]

By the way, I believe Klitschko(s) and Alexander Povetkin are very great champions, they would did very well in any era, I'm really a big fan of Povetkin and I think Klitschko's win against him was HUGE. Povetkin is an amazing elite boxer.

[Elroy1]

If it's true, it is to much lesser extent. Ali would shine even today, he would publicize people like samuel Peter then beat him.

What I believe had the greater effect on Ali's legacy and stardom is the highly polarized American society of 1960s and the African-american struggle for equality.

I believe Ali would make great deal of police shooting of the young american black today to attract people to the sport, and declare his next fight to be against the police state.

Today's champions fear to challenge the authority or take real risks, they prefer to make controversy in their life revolving around woman beating, drugs, flushing money in toilet. That is why they will leave without too much to remember.

Oh yeah.. Ali couldn't even really beat Frazier...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/11/8/1320748539179/Joe-Frazier-007.jpg

But he's going to beat Samuel Peter..

https://beatsboxingmayhem.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/peter.jpg

Unbelievable what some nostalgists write.

[Elroy1]

Ali loses to Alex Leapai

I second this.

I once put up highlight reels of both and Leapai was far more dangerous and against more dangerous opponents too.

Wlad's stay busy worst opponents > Ali's top opponents.

[LacedUp]

If it's true, it is to much lesser extent. Ali would shine even today, he would publicize people like samuel Peter then beat him.

What I believe had the greater effect on Ali's legacy and stardom is the highly polarized American society of 1960s and the African-american struggle for equality.

I believe Ali would make great deal of police shooting of the young american black today to attract people to the sport, and declare his next fight to be against the police state.

Today's champions fear to challenge the authority or take real risks, they prefer to make controversy in their life revolving around woman beating, drugs, flushing money in toilet. That is why they will leave without too much to remember.

I'm not denying that Ali was great even before he went into the fight with Liston. He was gaining a lot of publicity before that too for being a charming, loud mouth who was also crazy fast and skilled.

However, his god-like status really only came in two parts 1) when he lost to Frazier. He gained so much credibility for that fight, even in losing his ring title. He was always looked on as a bit of a flashy guy. Someone who probably wasn't tough enough, but after Frazier, even the white guys were like "damn this guy is tough" and then of course after Foreman when he was just catapulted into the extreme.

What I'm trying to say is, without Frazier and Foreman, there's no Ali. Ali is great because of how great they were - as much as that is true the other way around.

I second this.

I once put up highlight reels of both and Leapai was far more dangerous and against more dangerous opponents too.

Wlad's stay busy worst opponents > Ali's top opponents.

Leapai > Foreman.

[Elroy1]

Leapai > Foreman.

Wrong again as usual!

Here is how it goes..

Foreman's achievements > Leapai's achievements (obviously).

Foreman 90's > LEapai

But here's the clincher that you simply will not understand.

The layers of confusion are just too much for the nut bag to unravel all at once...

ALEX LEAPAI > FOREMAN 70's....

Greater than the Foreman that Ali beat!

The slow lumbering Foreman who could barely even box was less of a puncher, smaller, equally unskilled, much chinnier, weaker, equally unfit for a long fight, SLOWER and applied less strategy than Alex Leapai!

Hell the only thing Foreman had then over Alex was a few inches in height that Foreman then didn't capitalise on anyway and didn't have the strength to shove the much stronger Alex away either!

The NOW Alex Leapai, even has a better RECORD than the THEN George Foreman, because although both were largely bum busters, LEapai's were REAL HW's as opposed to Foreman's which were atleast HALF Cruisers. And Leapai's win over Boytsov was worth more than Foreman's wins over Norton and Frazier combined!

I'm sorry LacedUp but you chose to buy into perhaps the biggest lie in sports history!

Like I told you before, before approximately the year 2000, this stuff could fly because the nopstalgists knew not many would ever check the records and analyse them properly or ever see Ali or his friends fight.

Tehnology caught up with you though. Around 2000, we got BoxRec AND uploaded fight video. Your busted!

Myth exposed!

[Weltschmerz]

lol wlad has no chance vs ali, no frankenstein moving robot can deal with a guy who dances for 12 rounds like ali did

Ali wasn't a great puncher though. We have some great punchers in today's HW landscape, and the superheavies are huge guys, a factor too.

[Weltschmerz]

And no, Primo Carnera wasn't great.

[Elroy1]

Ali is bigger than boxing, he is the greatest sportsman in the 20th century. regardless of the weight class he would fight in, he would be the number.1 star and he would attract millions to the sport, it's about personality and charisma. He made over a billion person to watch his fights in 70s, I can't imagine what he would achieve in the age of internet.

Really? About the only thing notable about Muhammad Ali's fights, is that they made even Wladimir Klitschko's look ****ing exciting!

You know the REAL weirdo thing about you Americans who diss the Global era of boxing?

It's that you in fact DID have a great champ once who actually WOULD have been up there with the best today. In fact 2 of them atleast!

Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.

But instead of that, you decide to carry on with this blatant BS that no idiot in their right mind could swallow and most school kids wouldn't ****ing sweat in the street.

It's a joke. A sick bloody joke!

[bojangles1987]

I don't understand how anyone can see the struggles Wlad had with two fairly talented movers in Haye and Jennings and think he doesn't get his ass kicked by Muhammad Ali.