Does Boxing need a Super Heavyweight Division of 225 +

[juggernaut666]

They werent making a competitive fight with Vlad because he was more skilled than them. Also one of the fighters i mentioned was Corrie Sanders who very much gave Wlad a tough fight

The funny thing is Wlad actually often looks worse against smaller fighters than he does against bigger ones. Pulev, Wach, Thompson etc all suffered brutal beatdowns, whereas other smaller heavyweights were just outboxed.

Of the Super heavyweights that you've been talking about, who would make a competitive fight with Wlad? He'd beat them all, just the same as he does the smaller fighters if not worse, because he is better than them. Simple as that.

Your entire post was irrelevant,really no logic at all lets not change anything because the smaller fighters give Wlad a more competitive fight? Who that is I don't know since Wlads last opponent out weighed him by 10 pounds....???Anyway....your logic doesn't add up let the smaller guys get beat b/c the bigger ones cant stand up to him.?...I don't think so....thats.....

[SN!PER]

Wilder is listed and weighed in at some of his fights at 235...

Yeah, I don't think anyone has told Wilder to "cut down" either. If anything, he needs more muscle in his legs and body. He's better at 230+ lbs.

As for Mike Perez, he is a naturally big guy. His best performance was at 235 lbs. against Abdusalamov.

The only guys on that list that I'd expect to be consistently under 225 are Glazkov, Cunningham, and Povetkin.

[juggernaut666]

Yeah, I don't think anyone has told Wilder to "cut down" either. If anything, he needs more muscle in his legs and body. He's better at 230+ lbs.

As for Mike Perez, he is a naturally big guy. His best performance was at 235 lbs. against Abdusalamov.

The only guys on that list that I'd expect to be consistently under 225 are Glazkov, Cunningham, and Povetkin.

Yea were on the same page here.I think it would be kind of cool to see a new class labled the super heavy weights.Worst case scenario is what elroy had do a 215 mark but I don't think it changes anything for Hw's,the whole reasoning would be to make all the naturally guys around 230 fight other 230 plus guys.

[Tom Cruise]

Wilder is listed and weighed in at some of his fights at 235...

In his most important fight so far he weighed 219lbs. He obviously feels thats his best weight. He looked strong, powerful and fast.

Your entire post was irrelevant,really no logic at all lets not change anything because the smaller fighters give Wlad a more competitive fight? Who that is I don't know since Wlads last opponent out weighed him by 10 pounds....???Anyway....your logic doesn't add up let the smaller guys get beat b/c the bigger ones cant stand up to him.?...I don't think so....thats.....

My point, which has obviously sailed straight over your head, is that size isnt the definjng factor in Wlads career. He looks equally dominant, if not more so, fighting opponents who are as big or bigger than him. If half the top ten are at or under 225, then where is the evidence that you need to cut of the division there?

Yeah, I don't think anyone has told Wilder to "cut down" either. If anything, he needs more muscle in his legs and body. He's better at 230+ lbs.

As for Mike Perez, he is a naturally big guy. His best performance was at 235 lbs. against Abdusalamov.

The only guys on that list that I'd expect to be consistently under 225 are Glazkov, Cunningham, and Povetkin.

I didnt realise Perez was that big to be fair. Maybe 225 would be a stretch but he cojld easily get under 230 if he was in peak condition.

[SalimShady1212]

The weight inbetween light heavy and heavyweight is already neglected enough, we dont need another one

[Elroy1]

The weight inbetween light heavy and heavyweight is already neglected enough, we dont need another one

No it isn't, light heavy and cruiser are both rich divisions as they've ever been.

There are these nut bag types usually confined to History section that believe Cruiser should be done away with.

Let me tell you, the division prior to HW, whatever that may be, will ALWAYS be the Launchpad for the HW division, no matter what. It's natural for them to want to step up unlimited where the money is.

If we get rid of cruiser, the lightHW will once again become the Launchpad, except with the average weights of HW opponents now, we are talking a jump in weight of 55lbs! Just to make average weight!

That's ludicrous!

Boxers are going to get bigger and bigger, it's inexorable. And at some point, obviously, the limits are either gonna have to be adjusted or a new division is going to be required.

I think, as many do, that that time is about now!

As for Tom Cruise, your claims about the smaller boxers being more competitive is ridiculous. You focus solely on Wlad here also, which is wrong. You should view all HW's equal in this. We can see clearly that most of them are big boys and only FEW of the smaller sub220 boxers, like Cunningham, Haye, Adamek, Chambers and Byrd have been able to compete effectively and only Byrd and Haye have won titles.

Whilst the average HW today is 225-230, the average Wladimir opponent is 240! Wladimir being the champ fights the best opponents, which are HEFTIER overall than the average, not smaller!

OF course at HW the smaller boxers will on average ALWAYS be more skilled, they HAVE to be, because were they not, they'd not be in the HW division against larger men in the first place. There's no mystery there.

Except as we see, they face grave difficulties often against the top big boys.

AS for these middle ground guys like Perez and Povetkin, their effectiveness imo would be REDUCED should they attempt to strip down and Wilder definitely needs to put on muscle weight, particularly in the leg department.

These guys could just as easily "slip UP" into the new division were it created.

Just a few thoughts.

[Robbie Barrett]

Boxing has gone from 8 divisions/8 titles to 17 divisions/68 titles (not including super titles). Do we really need to water it down some more?

[Elroy1]

Boxing has gone from 8 divisions/8 titles to 17 divisions/68 titles (not including super titles). Do we really need to water it down some more?

Err.. At the top end? Yes we definitely DO!

IF you are implying we should eliminate the inbetween divisions, that is an entirely different issue to increasing the end point of the weight scales.

Obviously!

And as for Tom Cruise...

I notice you mentioned Glazkov as an example of a top ranked HW who is on the smaller side.

Please indicate for me a single superHW whom Glazkov has fought yet?

See what I'm getting at. It could very well be that Glazkov will be beaten and eliminated from the top 10 as soon as he "steps up" to the larger+decent guys.

Loads of boxers have built themselves up feasting on the smaller men only to struggle when they fight boxers their own size. It's a staple of boxing really. Rid**** Bowe when he fought Golota. Foreman when he fought Lyle!

[juggernaut666]

In his most important fight so far he weighed 219lbs. He obviously feels thats his best weight. He looked strong, powerful and fast.



My point, which has obviously sailed straight over your head, is that size isnt the definjng factor in Wlads career. He looks equally dominant, if not more so, fighting opponents who are as big or bigger than him. If half the top ten are at or under 225, then where is the evidence that you need to cut of the division there?



I didnt realise Perez was that big to be fair. Maybe 225 would be a stretch but he cojld easily get under 230 if he was in peak condition.

Nothing sailed over my head read elroys replies to get a full education on this topic ....the only thing i disagree with him is eliminate the cruiser weight division in place of either adding a SHW or altering the current one to 225 plus .....

[Elroy1]

Yes I think if we agree on one thing Juggernaut it's that it's getting about time that "something" needs to be done soon right.

I can see that it's becoming unfair weight advantage now for some boxers to compete.