Does Boxing need a Super Heavyweight Division of 225 +

[Elroy1]

I would prefer just expanding LHW to like 185 and Cruiser to around 215 and then renaming Cruiser because its a ****** name, no one knows what it means, which is a huge contributor to why no one cares.

Cruiser is a great name for a division.

It's named after a class of warships.

We could have the destroyer class and dreadnought class next That'd be cool!

Other than that, I see no issue expanding the weights further, but still, sooner or later your gonna have to add another weight class. It's inescapable!

Almost no boxers below 215 are competitive at HW today at top level and the best boxers are now an average 240 and the champ 250!

[mick1303]

I don't think that anyone would agree to change the 175 limit for LHW. It is one of the original historical weights classes

[Tom Cruise]

Transnational Boxing rankings top 10

Heavyweight
Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Tyson Fury
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Kubrat Pulev
5. Bermane Stiverne
6. Carlos Takam
7. Vyacheslav Glazkov
8. Bryant Jennings
9. Steve Cunningham
10. Mike Perez

The ones in red either are, or should be, below 225lbs.

Tbh im not convinced someone like Stiverne wouldnt be down.at 225 if he was in better shape.

But dey all 6'4+ and 240lbs, doe

[Elroy1]

Transnational Boxing rankings top 10

Heavyweight
Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Tyson Fury
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Kubrat Pulev
5. Bermane Stiverne
6. Carlos Takam
7. Vyacheslav Glazkov
8. Bryant Jennings
9. Steve Cunningham
10. Mike Perez

The ones in red either are, or should be, below 225lbs.

Tbh im not convinced someone like Stiverne wouldnt be down.at 225 if he was in better shape.

But dey all 6'4+ and 240lbs, doe

The average weight for a modern HW boxer, AVERAGE, IS 240lbs! There can be no dispute about that. Take the most representative sample you like!

Bermane Stiverne is a hulking powerhouse, there is no WAY he should be anywhere NEAR the 220's. The guy was OVERTRAINED against Wilder you moron!

As for the others highlighted, they are around 225lbs, that's 5-7lbs higher than George Foreman in the 70's, the strongest boxer of that era, right before they introduced the Cruiser division!

The ONLY boxer on that list who is a naturally lighter man who doesn't meet the SHW criteria at all is Steve Cunningham. A very slick, fast and athletic boxer with a good record. Nobody said smaller guys CAN'T compete, just that it is now extremely difficult, rare and they are not threatening the championship much. David Haye was that rare exception for a short time and failed.

The rest of your case rests on rubbishing guys like Pulev, who is nothing less than a technically skilled SHW.

Bascially you have exposed yourself as a complete fool and should disappear into the sunset with your obvious agenda mate!

[Tom Cruise]

The average weight for a modern HW boxer, AVERAGE, IS 240lbs! There can be no dispute about that. Take the most representative sample you like!

Bermane Stiverne is a hulking powerhouse, there is no WAY he should be anywhere NEAR the 220's. The guy was OVERTRAINED against Wilder you moron!

As for the others highlighted, they are around 225lbs, that's 5-7lbs higher than George Foreman in the 70's, the strongest boxer of that era, right before they introduced the Cruiser division!

The ONLY boxer on that list who is a naturally lighter man who doesn't meet the SHW criteria at all is Steve Cunningham. A very slick, fast and athletic boxer with a good record. Nobody said smaller guys CAN'T compete, just that it is now extremely difficult, rare and they are not threatening the championship much. David Haye was that rare exception for a short time and failed.

The rest of your case rests on rubbishing guys like Pulev, who is nothing less than a technically skilled SHW.

Bascially you have exposed yourself as a complete fool and should disappear into the sunset with your obvious agenda mate!

Half of the top 10 is at or below 225lbs how is this so difficult to understand? Smaller heavyweights can compete perfectly well with bigger ones unless the bigger fighter is more skilled.

Why are you so intent of ****ting on Wlads resume?

[Elroy1]

Half of the top 10 is at or below 225lbs how is this so difficult to understand? Smaller heavyweights can compete perfectly well with bigger ones unless the bigger fighter is more skilled.

Why are you so intent of ****ting on Wlads resume?

****ting on Wlad's resume?

In my opinion Wladimir holds the best resume of any HW boxer of all time beyond much serious debate. The only things that really come close are like Lennox Lewis's for example.

On topic..

What is it hard to understand that these guys that are at 225 are comparable to the boxers of the early 80's with the introduction of Cruiser who weighed 200lbs and were THEN at the borderline of each division and still competitive?

It's the guys like Cunningham well BELOW this limit who would find themselves in the lower division and rightly so. IF guys like Cunningham wanted to box heftier, they'd have to upsize their meals or make do with the division theyre in and frame they're at!

The limits are to protect boxers and make for more competitive fights.

As the weight of the boxers gets larger and larger, so should the divisions.

It's simple as that!

I am sure many guys just like you in the 1920's baulked at the idea of raising the HW limit from 150lbs to 175 also.

Had they prevailed we'd be witnessing such spectacles as Adonis Stevenson (a THEN HW) VS Tyson Fury.

Gee what a fair fight THAT would have been!

You ****in idiot!

[Tom Cruise]

****ting on Wlad's resume?

In my opinion Wladimir holds the best resume of any HW boxer of all time beyond much serious debate. The only things that really come close are like Lennox Lewis's for example.

On topic..

What is it hard to understand that these guys that are at 225 are comparable to the boxers of the early 80's with the introduction of Cruiser who weighed 200lbs and were THEN at the borderline of each division and still competitive?

It's the guys like Cunningham well BELOW this limit who would find themselves in the lower division and rightly so. IF guys like Cunningham wanted to box heftier, they'd have to upsize their meals or make do with the division theyre in and frame they're at!

The limits are to protect boxers and make for more competitive fights.

As the weight of the boxers gets larger and larger, so should the divisions.

It's simple as that!

I am sure many guys just like you in the 1920's baulked at the idea of raising the HW limit from 150lbs to 175 also.

Had they prevailed we'd be witnessing such spectacles as Adonis Stevenson (a THEN HW) VS Tyson Fury.

Gee what a fair fight THAT would have been!

You ****in idiot!

Why are you talking about the past for? This has nothing to do with how much HW's used to weigh.

In the current heavyweight era smaller heavyweights regularly compete with bigger ones. The second and third best fighters at heavyweight (and second and third most powerful) are so called smaller heavyweights. Half the top 10 current HW's are so called smaller heavyweights. Wlad Klitschko has had tougher fights with smaller heavyweights than he has bigger ones.

There is basically no reason for the division limit to be changed. If 210lbs is your best fighting weight, then thats what weight you should be fighting at, and you will be more than capable of competing in the modern HW division at that size (David Haye for example) as long as you are skilled enough.

[Elroy1]

I will level with you one step here Tom Cruise..

I made a mistake..

Wladimir Klitschko's average opponent weight is 240lbs!

The AVERAGE boxer weight in the HW division is ONLY around 225-230lbs!

So I can see the knowledge in not having the lower limit set at around the average weight!

I have always figured 215 to be a very relevant new limit that guys like Haye could have easily gotten above and have done. The main effect is that is allows Cruisers to be bigger too.

When would YOU raise the limit?

[PainfromUkraine]

As I said, no need to make a SHW division, if anything just up the HW minimum weight to 215 so you won't have guys that are natural cruisers or even lower to try and bulk up right to that 200 limit or barely over. Even the lighter guys from recent years like Haye, Byrd, Cunningham etc came in at 215+ and still had some degree of success, so it's not like their smaller size affected them completely in terms of not being successful at all. They just fell to better big men. But guys like RJJ coming up to 200 for 1 fight and not sticking around is something that although can be an interesting spectacle and one for the history books, kind of makes a mockery of the division.

215+ would be fair for everyone, but I don't think anyone will complain too much about the division as it is unless smaller guys stop having success completely and the big guys get even bigger.

[cupocity303]

For that to happen they would have to re arrange all the weight classes and make 225+ the new heavyweight division.

They're not going to make a super heavyweight division because the heavyweight title is the most prestigious and most marketable title.

^^^This.

You DO NOT supersede The Heavyweight Championship. That's the last stop gents. Once you go over the weight division limit of 200, all bets are off. No super or Junior divisions to save you. No catchweights, nothing. You simply train your ass off and make whatever weight you're comfortable with, and then you get your ass kicked by the Heavyweight Dictator Wladimir Klitschko. The end.