Comments Thread For: Froch: Golovkin Small, Ward Unlikely, Chavez Possible

[Dirk Diggler UK]

No.

Barcham said this.....
Fighting Froch in the UK is a huge fight on PPV.

Maybe my reply flew over your head ?

Froch is the UK PPV draw, not GGG !

So, a fight between Froch/GGG in the UK will NOT be a huge PPV draw, compared to Ward fighting Froch in the UK..... they would be the same, because Froch is the draw, not GGG or Ward.

GGG is not yet a PPV star, no matter how you try to spin it..... so why the fakk would Froch find that fight appealing? If Froch fights next up in the UK, Degale would be bigger than both Ward and GGG.

Froch is the star in this equation, and GGG adds nothing, nadda, zip, zero...... certainly not enough to make him more attractive than Ward, which is what Barcham was insinuating.

Golovkin just fought on free TV in the UK against a Brit and the ratings pretty much bombed.

Nobody knows who he is here. I'd put money on Ward being more known.

[HeroBando]

" guys like Froch "

you just dont get it man, and it has been clearly explained

" guys like Froch " ?????????/

Froch has one foot in the grave, figuratively. He has fought everyone, has stated numerous times that he is about to retire and that he wants one last fight in the US.

Golovkin aint even in his fkn division lol.

Why on earth would he fight Golovkin ?

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ??

" guys like Froch " ??

What the fakk do you mean by that ?

How about, guys like Ward ?

Explain the difference to me, because Ward is in the same division as Froch, and he (unlike Froch) is not about to retire, and he (unlike Froch) is likely more than happy to fight GGG.

Why, " guys like Froch ", who is about to retire, but not guys like Ward, who is not about to retire?

Ward is obviously a better opponent.

You think somehow, for some strange reason, that Froch owes GGG a payday?

I dont even understand why these two are being mentioned.

Man I'm gonna give up on you real soon cause its been explained and you're just unwilling to learn.

1. Froch brings big time money in the UK. Even at 75/25 its easily the best payday available to GGG. Ward OTOH probably cannot cover his own purse, at least before ROC but bad signs so far
2. Froch is an active fighter. Ward is not and wants several tuneups, not available till 2016

[i'm a fun haver]

There has to be willingness from both sides to make a fight. Unfortunately there wasn't from Golovkin's side.

Oh well, maybe in 2016....which would be what? 3 or 4 years after the infamous statements about how they'd KO everyone up to 168. Better late than never I guess.

Ward hasn't been willing to fight anyone since Nov 2013.
GGG has fought 4 times since then and will fight again in May before Ward does.
One guy is fighting and the other guy isn't.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Ward hasn't been willing to fight anyone since Nov 2013.
GGG has fought 4 times since then and will fight again in May before Ward does.
One guy is fighting and the other guy isn't.

Nice propaganda. Having injuries and promotional issues doesn't mean you're unwilling to fight.

Golovkin has fought all those times and his resume is still terrible compared to Ward's.

[i'm a fun haver]

Nice propaganda. Having injuries and promotional issues doesn't mean you're unwilling to fight.

Golovkin has fought all those times and his resume is still terrible compared to Ward's.

Ward chose to not fight because he thought Goossen owed money to one of his friends who didn't have a promoter's license.
He didn't want to put money in Goossen's pocket. Those were his words.
What were Ward's injuries after the Rodriguez fight?

[Barcham]

There has to be willingness from both sides to make a fight. Unfortunately there wasn't from Golovkin's side.

Oh well, maybe in 2016....which would be what? 3 or 4 years after the infamous statements about how they'd KO everyone up to 168. Better late than never I guess.

Evidence of GGG refusing to fight Ward? HBO have stated that GGG is the ONLY fighter who has NEVER REFUSED a proposed fight from HBO. So please present some evidence that GGG refused a proposal from HBO to fight Ward.

It's also hard to build a resume when you go to HBO with guys like Willie Munson Jr and Heiland at the top of your list.

Don't you think there's a middle ground somewhere between Froch and Munson?

Sure there's a middle ground. It's named Canelo, Cotto, Quillin but those guys seem to lack the gonads to fight GGG. There are also others like N'Dam and Lemieux and Lee and Saunders who are busy with their own plans at the moment. It's tough to find a decent opponent when you fight 4 times a year. Damn! Cotto fights only once and can't find an opponent, Ward once every TWO years and can't land a fight.

But you keep dumping on GGG for taking on an up and coming ranked fighter who is willing to go where the so called 'champions' of the division fear to tread.

No.

Barcham said this.....
Fighting Froch in the UK is a huge fight on PPV.

Maybe my reply flew over your head ?

Froch is the UK PPV draw, not GGG !

So, a fight between Froch/GGG in the UK will NOT be a huge PPV draw, compared to Ward fighting Froch in the UK..... they would be the same, because Froch is the draw, not GGG or Ward.

GGG is not yet a PPV star, no matter how you try to spin it..... so why the fakk would Froch find that fight appealing? If Froch fights next up in the UK, Degale would be bigger than both Ward and GGG.

Froch is the star in this equation, and GGG adds nothing, nadda, zip, zero...... certainly not enough to make him more attractive than Ward, which is what Barcham was insinuating.

GGG is very well known in Europe. His last fight was shown in something like 110 different countries. He is willing to go to the UK for a fight, which would definitely be on PPV, something Ward is not willing to do. Instead a Ward fight would likely take place in Oakland and be shown on regular HBO, if they are interested in paying the asking price. If not, it may well be on Showtime if Roc Nation doesn't end up being blocked by Haymon from that network.

Ward is not a draw. Not in Europe and not in the US. This will be made clear if the Froch-Ward fight does finally go through.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Evidence of GGG refusing to fight Ward? HBO have stated that GGG is the ONLY fighter who has NEVER REFUSED a proposed fight from HBO. So please present some evidence that GGG refused a proposal from HBO to fight Ward.

Actually Tom Loeffler, Golovkin's promoter, said that.

There was no proposal for a Ward fight because the same Loeffler refused to entertain the idea of that fight.

This is old news. Hopefully it gets made next year.

[HeroBando]

Actually Tom Loeffler, Golovkin's promoter, said that.

There was no proposal for a Ward fight because the same Loeffler refused to entertain the idea of that fight.

This is old news. Hopefully it gets made next year.

He didn't refuse to entertain it, he said the moneys not there. That's obvious when the A sider is waiting on an offer from guy with far smaller purses and rep. Easy way to prove him wrong: make a nice offer. Way to prove him right: sit out then struggle to sell networks on a tuneup

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He didn't refuse to entertain it, he said the moneys not there. That's obvious when the A sider is waiting on an offer from guy with far smaller purses and rep. Easy way to prove him wrong: make a nice offer. Way to prove him right: sit out then struggle to sell networks on a tuneup

Again....stop making up rules and regulations that don't exist to try to trick people

Who boldly claims they can KO everyone in 3 divisions, calls out someone and then plays hard to get like some shy teenage girl saying "make me an offer hehe "

You go to HBO and ask how much money is available for the fight then work out a split. The money wasn't there to satisfy Golovkin's team in order to risk putting him up against Ward. According to Golovkin's promoter, he would need a huge purse to face Ward. Ok cool.

I mean it's not impossible though. Kovalev took very short money to face Hopkins and is now earning 2 or 3 times what Golovkin earns. He took a risk that Golovkin's team weren't willing to and is reaping the benefits.

[HeroBando]

Again....stop making up rules and regulations that don't exist to try to trick people

Who boldly claims they can KO everyone in 3 divisions, calls out someone and then plays hard to get like some shy teenage girl saying "make me an offer hehe "

You go to HBO and ask how much money is available for the fight then work out a split. The money wasn't there to satisfy Golovkin's team in order to risk putting him up against Ward. According to Golovkin's promoter, he would need a huge purse to face Ward. Ok cool.

I mean it's not impossible though. Kovalev took very short money to face Hopkins and is now earning 2 or 3 times what Golovkin earns. He took a risk that Golovkin's team weren't willing to and is reaping the benefits.

Its not about GGG purse lol, its Wards. He'd just made 2m for a tuneup vs GGG who's career high was 400k. Though if GGG is acting the A side and making it happen with HBO, I don't see why he'd take a small fraction of the purse. The only time you see this happen is off HBO, when the lesser name makes an offer for a fight in his homeland, financed by some oil tycoon or similar