Comments Thread For: Roach: Mayweather Tasted Defeat, He'll Taste It Again!

[mathed]

Lomachenko's is something like 401-1 and he avenged that 1 defeat twice.

Yea, thats insane.

Actually I think I remember now.....

396-1 (avenged) 2 gold medals, 2 world amateur championships

could be slightly wrong there

its insane !

Honestly, I thought Arum and company were pushing him too fast and that he was another hypejob in a sense. Not that he wasn't good but being billed as more than he could provide. BUT...........after what he did to Russell jr, a guy that I think is extremely good, I think that Loma is going to be a virtually unbeatable boxer. I'll be the first to say I underestimated the guy and think he is potentially a future ATG. The way he beat the brakes off of GRJ was demoralizing and he just looked like a machine, in a fluid sense, not like a Wlad mechanical sense; the guy looked like a terminator.

[-Kev-]

You are wrong...

And terrible with English.

That said, judges aren't just given data and told to decide who won. They watch the fights. They score round-by-round.

It's about winning rounds, not throwing the most punches.

Mayweather often gives up more punches, and loses the first 2-3 rounds, because he knows he can slow the fight WAY down and win each round thereafter.

A guy can throw 110 punches in round one, 210 total, and still lose to a guy who throws 95 all fight if the guy who threw 95 won the rounds.

Exactly, people need to look at it round by round, not overall. So what if one fighter does some serious rallying in 4-5 rounds, therefore skyrocketing his punch output and punches landed, yet did poorly in the other 7-8 rounds? But his poor punch output with the 7 rounds (Which the hypothetical boxer seemingly loss) + his rallying in 5 rounds (Which he won), may give him a number higher than the other guy, and compubox favoring him, making it seem like the guy with the high punches landed killed it out there.

Again, i'd like to note that this is not my answer to why Floyd beat Castillo, more like an answer to "If you get outlanded, you can't win, period."

[Brickyardigan]

Honestly, I thought Arum and company were pushing him too fast and that he was another hypejob in a sense. Not that he wasn't good but being billed as more than he could provide. BUT...........after what he did to Russell jr, a guy that I think is extremely good, I think that Loma is going to be a virtually unbeatable boxer. I'll be the first to say I underestimated the guy and think he is potentially a future ATG. The way he beat the brakes off of GRJ was demoralizing and he just looked like a machine, in a fluid sense, not like a Wlad mechanical sense; the guy looked like a terminator.

Yeah Rigo and definitely Walters destroys him. I like Loma because he stole some tricks from Mayweather.. Actually thinking about those controlling tricks.. Yeah he may be hard to beat. Rigo may have a tough time since Lomahave a better inside game and is bigger.

[Rath]

You are wrong...

And terrible with English.

That said, judges aren't just given data and told to decide who won. They watch the fights. They score round-by-round.

It's about winning rounds, not throwing the most punches.

Mayweather often gives up more punches, and loses the first 2-3 rounds, because he knows he can slow the fight WAY down and win each round thereafter.

A guy can throw 110 punches in round one, 210 total, and still lose to a guy who throws 95 all fight if the guy who threw 95 won the rounds.

punch landed not punch thrown you genius.

how can you be good in english if you can't even understand? you are really terrible at comprehension.

Why would anyone give any judges punch data?

what i said was if you have not watched the fight and given only data let say compubox result of punch landed and ask who won the fight.

it is a safer bet to say that the guy who landed more punches won, than the guy who did not.

the percentage of you getting it right is 3x higher than using the principle that " landing more punches is not an assurance of winning ".

Read my post again and this time, use your brain not your foot.
now read your post again and see where you gone wrong.

[Brickyardigan]

Its an outstanding record, no question.

Oscars record is something like 225-5 (Olympic gold medal).

Lomachenko is something like 300-1 (avenged), or was that Golovkin.

Both are lesser fighters than Floyd.

Mayweather has been robbed plenty in the Amas.

[boxingfish12]

I think Roach is just conditioning Manny Pacquiao into thinking that Floyd is not as invincible as most people think. Floyd has his weaknesses and that is what Roach is trying to explore. He also wants Manny to be more fierce and mentally ready for this fight.

[OutClassed]

May 2, 2015 .. . . . . . RIP Floyd Jr

[EdWins]

Hello, I see you must be new to boxing.

Let me explain to you how this sport works:

You see, fights are judged on a round by round basis, each round being of equal value. Fights are not scored by total amount of punches thrown and landed.

Since you are obviously new to the sport I will give you an easy hypothetical scenario to illustrate my point:

Fighter A vs Fighter B in a 4 round fight:

Round 1: Fighter A lands 6 punches, Fighter B lands 3
Round 2: Fighter A lands 8 punches Fighter B lands 3
Round 3: Fighter A lands 8 punches Fighter B lands 4.
Round 4: Fighter A lands 5 punches, Fighter B lands 25.

Even though Fighter B has out landed fighter A in total punches, he lost 3 of the 4 rounds and thus loses the fight (even if you scored the last round 10-8 for Fighter B)

In regards to Mayweather vs Castillo I. For the first 6 rounds Floyd did a very good job of controlling the tempo, using his jab and out boxing Castillo in a low-tempo fight.

In the second half, the tempo of the fight picked up dramatically, resulting in a lot more punches being thrown / landed.

Regardless, round 1 counts just as much as round 7.

Now that I have educated you on the subject, please do your best to read up on the sport. You have a lot to learn, young grasshopper.

Nice explanation only this doesn't apply to this fight. Castillo outthrew and outlanded Floyd everysingle round with the exception of the first 4 rounds, Castillo always been a slow starter who slowly builds up his assault.

Your logic makes no sense. I hope you do understand fights are scored by rounds and not punches land. For example, a simple illustration, you can land 500 punches throughout first three rounds and lands zero for the next nine rounds, while your opponent lands zero throughout the first three and lands 400 throughout the next nine rounds. Who do you think win the fight? Well boxing says your opponent won by 9 rounds to 3.

I concede that this logic is flawed, I should have explained myself better... again, this doesn't apply to this fight, Castillo outthrew and outlanded floyd everysingle round with the exception of the first 4 rounds.

Really? Cuz I thought in boxing, the fight is scored round by round.

It is, and Castillo won pretty much everysingle round except the first 4, and round 5 and round 9 were the real close rounds from what I remember.

[EdWins]

I just rewatched the fight and I have been way too generous to Floyd in giving him the first 5 rounds, he lost the fourth round, and arguably lost the third round, but that one was very close so I gave it to Floyd anyway.

A couple of notes before I reveal my scorecard:

Jose Luis Castillo out threw and out landed Floyd in power punches, and overall punches, the only statistical advantage Floyd had in this fight was in the jabs category, Castillo had higher connect percentage and thus a higher accuracy percentage in the fight with it being 40% to Castillo and 35% to Mayweather.

Referee Vic Drakulich wrongly deducted a point from Castillo in round 8, a round in which Castillo arguably won, for landing a punch after the bell, when Mayweather not only was landing punches after rounds but he also been throwing elbows all night.

Referee Vic Drakulich finally deducts a point away from Floyd Mayweather in round 10 for landing elbows on Castillo, I suppose this was his way of redeeming himself for wrongfully deducting a point away from Castillo and not Mayweather who was getting away with it.

One important fact that everybody seems to forget: CASTILLO WAS THE CHAMP in this fight, and usually in close fights like this, the Champ almost always gets the decision as you have to put in work to take the belt away from the Champion, or does this concept not apply to this fight???

Anyway here is the scorecard I ended up with:

Round 1: Mayweather
10-09
Round 2: Mayweather
10-09
Round 3: Mayweather
10-09
Round 4: Castillo
10-09
Round 5: Mayweather
10-09
Round 6: Castillo
10-09
Round 7: Castillo
10-09
Round 8: n/a
09-09 (point deduction evens round)
Round 9: Mayweather
10-09
Round 10: Castillo
10-08 (Point Deduction/Elbows)
Round 11: Castillo
10-09
Round 12: Castillo
10-09

114-112 Jose Luis Castillo.

It was indeed a close fight, however Floyd did not do enough to take the title away from Castillo that night.

I do give him his respect for giving him the rematch tho, but he lost that fight. Yall are fooling yourselves.

[Rath]

I just rewatched the fight and I have been way too generous to Floyd in giving him the first 5 rounds, he lost the fourth round, and arguably lost the third round, but that one was very close so I gave it to Floyd anyway.

A couple of notes before I reveal my scorecard:

Jose Luis Castillo out threw and out landed Floyd in power punches, and overall punches, the only statistical advantage Floyd had in this fight was in the jabs category, Castillo had higher connect percentage and thus a higher accuracy percentage in the fight with it being 40% to Castillo and 35% to Mayweather.

Referee Vic Drakulich wrongly deducted a point from Castillo in round 8, a round in which Castillo arguably won, for landing a punch after the bell, when Mayweather not only was landing punches after rounds but he also been throwing elbows all night.

Referee Vic Drakulich finally deducts a point away from Floyd Mayweather in round 10 for landing elbows on Castillo, I suppose this was his way of redeeming himself for wrongfully deducting a point away from Castillo and not Mayweather who was getting away with it.

One important fact that everybody seems to forget: CASTILLO WAS THE CHAMP in this fight, and usually in close fights like this, the Champ almost always gets the decision as you have to put in work to take the belt away from the Champion, or does this concept not apply to this fight???

Anyway here is the scorecard I ended up with:

Round 1: Mayweather
10-09
Round 2: Mayweather
10-09
Round 3: Mayweather
10-09
Round 4: Castillo
10-09
Round 5: Mayweather
10-09
Round 6: Castillo
10-09
Round 7: Castillo
10-09
Round 8: n/a
09-09 (point deduction evens round)
Round 9: Mayweather
10-09
Round 10: Castillo
10-08 (Point Deduction/Elbows)
Round 11: Castillo
10-09
Round 12: Castillo
10-09

114-112 Jose Luis Castillo.

It was indeed a close fight, however Floyd did not do enough to take the title away from Castillo that night.

I do give him his respect for giving him the rematch tho, but he lost that fight. Yall are fooling yourselves.

let say that you are right.

then what happened to the famous Floyd adjusted/adopted, Floyd took over the second half of the fight or the opponent gassed out scenario?

Sorry i forgot, he did it on the rematch.