Erislany Lara on PBC!!!

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You don't hold him to his words? Yet in your thread you kept quoting Tom Loeffler over and over and over as some kind of proof.

It's extremely clear at this point Al Haymon fighters are doing their own thing with the PBC stuff, and that's cool. Golovkin is on HBO and that's cool. That's all there is to it. No one is avoiding Lara.

Golovkin's team are avoiding any actual threats until they get a mega fight.

I am holding him to his words. His words were that he has such a great relationship with Haymon and that Lara could be GGG's next opponent and he'd do whatever it took to make good fights, even Golovkin fighting on NBC or getting Haymon fighters on HBO.

Why say that and then go to HBO with names like Heiland, Munson and whoever the 3rd bum was they had on the list?

Abel Sanchez also said Quillin is "hiding behind the network excuse". Isn't that what they're doing with Lara?

[Eastcoast]

I'd want to see Lara / Andrade

But it seems like he passed on the Charlo fight then was last seen almost begging for it You honestly believe Lara wouldn't fight Boo Boo ? needs to get in the ring regardless of who he fights it seems he doesn't know what's going on in his career.

Lara/Andrade makes the most sense, but HBO has first right to Andrade's fights and that's a complication that Haymon might totally bypass. Lara has been one of the lowest paid fighters in the Haymon stable, only around $200k per fight. His robbery loss to PWill, was to another Haymon fighter who was more favored. He was told not to weigh more than 10lbs over 154 vs Angulo (another Haymon fighter) who was then allowed to come in at ~174lbs. He's a stepchild within that stable.

The funny and sad part is Lara vs Mundine is still a better fight then GGG vs Monroe

IDK. Maybe, maybe not. We do know Mundine is way past his best and looked poor vs Clottey and nothing special vs Rabachenko. Monroe is still untested at the highest level, but looked very good vs Kopylenko, Adams, and a shop-worn Vera. To me that's an interesting fight stylistically. We don't know Monroe's ceiling, Golovkin is the rightful favorite, but Willie could conceivably give him his toughest fight to date. It'll be interesting to see GGG hunt down someone who's adept at moving away and who's objective is to score with quick shots and not get caught. Ian Gardner was the last slick southpaw GGG has fought, be it years ago, it was one of his more interesting fights. And I'm not alone in that assessment.

@M_RagingBabe I like that fight for some reason.

— Stephen Edwards (@BreadmanBoxing) March 18, 2015

@M_RagingBabe monroe can fight. Plus slick urban fighters are the hardest to deal with. I***39;m not saying he will win but its a good fight.

— Stephen Edwards (@BreadmanBoxing) March 18, 2015

Canelo and Gennady are both facing scrubs compared to their stature in the sport you can defend it however you want but that's the truth.

Like I said, the sport is fractured right now. Canelo & Golovkin have little to choose from. I hate that we can't get better fights for some of these top guys. Politics have always prevented fights from happening in the past, but it's at an all-time worst now due to the Haymon agenda. Ironically if he does succeed this might fix itself completely, but the transition is sucking.

[BOXEO _]

Hell yea! Can't wait. I'm there if it's in Houston.

[Loque-san]

Not if you compare it to Lara vs Ishe Smith.

The Ishe fight was a softer touch for Lara after having fought Vanes, Angulo, Trout and Canelo in a row. It was acceptable. Mundine would be his second stay-busy type of fight and a waste of time. Also Mundine has looked awful against Clottey, and I doubt he's better than Ishe at this stage of his career.

Lara vs. Andrade is the fight to make. Andrade wants it, the ball is in Al Haymon / Lara's court.

[Eastcoast]

The Ishe fight was a softer touch for Lara after having fought Vanes, Angulo, Trout and Canelo in a row. It was acceptable. Mundine would be his second stay-busy type of fight and a waste of time. Also Mundine has looked awful against Clottey, and I doubt he's better than Ishe at this stage of his career.

Lara vs. Andrade is the fight to make. Andrade wants it, the ball is in Al Haymon / Lara's court.

Lara fights every 6-7 months, he's not exactly burning himself out. He fought Ishe Smith because they ran out of guys to match him up with, and Al's not about to let him fight any of his young potential in Charlo's, Williams, or Harrison. Of course Mundine is a horrible fight, but so is Clottey and there's nothing else out there. He could fight Andrade if he/Al want it, but they might just sit on that title instead.

Date----------Purse------Opponent
11/10/2012--$202,500---Vanes Matirosyn
06/08/2013--$175,000---Alfredo Angulo
12/07/2013--$270,000---Austin Trout*
07/12/2014--$1,000,000--Saul Alvarez

[R_Walken]

Lara/Andrade makes the most sense, but HBO has first right to Andrade's fights and that's a complication that Haymon might totally bypass. Lara has been one of the lowest paid fighters in the Haymon stable, only around $200k per fight. His robbery loss to PWill, was to another Haymon fighter who was more favored. He was told not to weigh more than 10lbs over 154 vs Angulo (another Haymon fighter) who was then allowed to come in at ~174lbs. He's a stepchild within that stable.

Agree with you that Lara / Andrade makes the most sense wasn't aware that HBO had first rights. The fact still remains that regardless Boo Boo needs to figure his career out and get in the ring.

Yeah Laras been the underdog his whole career and still prevailed despite GB going out of those way to sabotage his career. He may not be fan pleasing and be a step child in the stable but Haymon still got him good fights and made him a millionaire, I wish all step children were treated this good



IDK. Maybe, maybe not. We do know Mundine is way past his best and looked poor vs Clottey and nothing special vs Rabachenko. Monroe is still untested at the highest level, but looked very good vs Kopylenko, Adams, and a shop-worn Vera. To me that's an interesting fight stylistically. We don't know Monroe's ceiling, Golovkin is the rightful favorite, but Willie could conceivably give him his toughest fight to date. It'll be interesting to see GGG hunt down someone who's adept at moving away and who's objective is to score with quick shots and not get caught. Ian Gardner was the last slick southpaw GGG has fought, be it years ago, it was one of his more interesting fights. And I'm not alone in that assessment.

Your right we don't know Minroes ceiling and he could prove himself to be a good fighter , he may also have a style that makes things interesting against GGG but the fact is right now he's unproven beaten no one of substance and was a 8 round fighter a year and a half ago. There's levels to this and Gennady has proved that he's the best MW. what has Monroe proved ?

I don't really like Lara / Mundine as a fight but it's still a better fight then GGG/ Monroe . Lara / Mundine are both fighters that have proved their worth against legitimate competition you can't say that about Monroe and to some extent Gennady either

It makes no difference to me that you and some other people are trying to convince the public that this fight isnt a pile dog s..h..it. For a fighter of Gennady ability this fight sucks monkey balls don't care how you spin it.

@M_RagingBabe I like that fight for some reason.

— Stephen Edwards (@BreadmanBoxing) March 18, 2015

@M_RagingBabe monroe can fight. Plus slick urban fighters are the hardest to deal with. I***39;m not saying he will win but its a good fight.

— Stephen Edwards (@BreadmanBoxing) March 18, 2015

Like I said, the sport is fractured right now. Canelo & Golovkin have little to choose from. I hate that we can't get better fights for some of these top guys. Politics have always prevented fights from happening in the past, but it's at an all-time worst now due to the Haymon agenda. Ironically if he does succeed this might fix itself completely, but the transition is sucking.

I'm aware of what's going on. I was probably one of the first on this site to predict to some degree what Haymon was doing. but HBO isn't going to win this battle if they keep putting marque fighters against over matched no names the public is to smart for that. Don't lie and make excuses even if HBO don't have many choices they can find more suitable name then Willie f.u..cling Monroe Jr. big fights = big ratings GGG/ Monroe probably tops out 1.1-1.2 million. Because it's a worth nothing fight. I hope I'm wrong and Monroe can make things interesting for a couple rounds

[SeekDaGreat]

Probably either Clottey or Mundine.

This. Another easy fight. From Canelo to the legendary Ishe Smith. To another fighter that shouldn't even be in the ring with Lara. He's continuing down the spiral of irrelevance. But at least he's winning in the process.

[ИATAS]

Golovkin's team are avoiding any actual threats until they get a mega fight.

I am holding him to his words. His words were that he has such a great relationship with Haymon and that Lara could be GGG's next opponent and he'd do whatever it took to make good fights, even Golovkin fighting on NBC or getting Haymon fighters on HBO.

Why say that and then go to HBO with names like Heiland, Munson and whoever the 3rd bum was they had on the list?

Abel Sanchez also said Quillin is "hiding behind the network excuse". Isn't that what they're doing with Lara?

Sigh. I guess you're just going to believe what you're going to believe, you've been at this for like 36 hours straight, man lol. Again, it's pretty damn clear what Haymon is doing with his fighters and PBC, and Golovkin has a contract with HBO. I can't go around and just take every promoter, manager and trainers word as gospel, I can't take Twitter accounts ran by managers as gospel. I guess you can but I can't do it. All I can do is look at the landscape, look at who's fighting, who isn't, and understand who has contracts with who and try to put it all together. Haymon/PBC are doing their own thing. That much we know. Golovkin has a contract with HBO, that we also know. Everything else is just speculation and in your part, making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.

Lara isn't a threat. He would be a step down from Murray at middleweight, it's a mismatch. If team Golovkin have rejected contracts sent their way from "threats" let's hear it, otherwise you're making unsupported claims.

[bluebeam]

honestly if you can get someone who can effectively pressure him, he can be in a back and forth type fight like against angulo, where he still gets to use his boxing, but every once in a while he gets thrown off track and allows his opponent to fight his type of fight. the angulo fight had me on the edge of my seat..

the paul Williams fight was entertaining too

[Eastcoast]

I'm aware of what's going on. I was probably one of the first on this site to predict to some degree what Haymon was doing. but HBO isn't going to win this battle if they keep putting marque fighters against over matched no names the public is to smart for that. Don't lie and make excuses even if HBO don't have many choices they can find more suitable name then Willie f.u..cling Monroe Jr. big fights = big ratings GGG/ Monroe probably tops out 1.1-1.2 million. Because it's a worth nothing fight. I hope I'm wrong and Monroe can make things interesting for a couple rounds

Lie about what? Who for May 16th did you have in mind? Personally I wanted either Hopkins (at 175-170) or Lara. There were no other big name options period.

Do you know what Golovkin's highest rated fight to date was? It was one of his lowest ranked opponents - Curtis Stevens. Stevens fought on NBC a bunch of times just like Monroe fought on ESPN a bunch of times.

It's not hard to understand some of the marketability to their selection. Fans tuned in to see Golovkin fight a sub 10 puncher, now they'll tune in to watch him fight a sub 10 mover. The ratings will be fine, the ticket sales are already showing there's strong fan interest. Golovkin's a name, they can move him against a guy like Monroe just as easily as they could against a guy like Lara but with less political hassle and a lower price.

Golovkin had two lousy rounds vs Rubio, and left more of a fan buzz than has been seen in a long time.

Furthermore I wouldn't get caught up in the HBO numbers. It seems regardless of the fight, save Chavez & Cotto, the ratings for a prime time Saturday night fight are consistently between 1.1-1.4 mill, depending on what else is on tv that night. Even Danny Garcia/Rod Salka had good tv numbers proving boxing fans watch regardless.