PBC on Spike ratings: 869,000 viewers 0.3 rating 18-49

[The Big Dunn]

I want it to fail because of what I believe Haymon wishes to do, and that is remake boxing in the UFC model of business. He wants to replace over a century of titles and tradition with his own closed league of fighters with himself in total control. I think this will destroy boxing, not help it and hope he loses his shirt.

What I would like to see would be boxing presented normally, as it is on Showtime and HBO with no ulterior motives to control the sport. I want to see the sport presented in the same way as a NFL game or MLB game or NHL game. THAT will have my support. Haymon and his ideas never will.

At least you are honest about this. I think you are a little paranoid as nothing has suggested this is what will happen.

The problem is too many posters are afraid of just stating this outright. They are because unlike you they have argued this is exactly what boxing needs. Yet when its Haymon that they think is doing it, then they suddenly have a problem.

Then they get questioned about what there real issue is, which makes them very uncomfortable because, if you think this model helps the sport, it shouldn't matter who does it.

[Barcham]

At least you are honest about this. I think you are a little paranoid as nothing has suggested this is what will happen.

The problem is too many posters are afraid of just stating this outright. They are because unlike you they have argued this is exactly what boxing needs. Yet when its Haymon that they think is doing it, then they suddenly have a problem.

Then they get questioned about what there real issue is, which makes them very uncomfortable because, if you think this model helps the sport, it shouldn't matter who does it.

I don't care who tries to do this, whether it's Haymon or Don King or Bob Arum or ODLH. I do not think that someone who 'advises' or manages or otherwise controls a large group of fighters should be getting involved in some kind of new boxing league promotion. I consider his actions which block promoters who are not affiliated with Haymon from this league to violate anti-competition laws. I have trouble understanding how this does not violate the Ali Act in one way or another. By putting these shows together, Haymon becomes a de-facto promoter. If Haymon is in charge of these fight cards and of the amount of the purse, how can he represent his fighters effectively and non-partially at the same time? If one fighter is not happy with his purse, will Haymon enter into contract discussions with himself?

The entire thing smells of corruption to me. Don King would be very proud of Haymon and is probably pissed off that he never thought of this first.

[Suavecito80]

Hahaha, the same crowd that accused others of being financial experts, lawyers etc has suddenly flipped the script. "It's about the money! That's why we want it to fail!" Makes sense.

Than it becomes a circle jerk

[The Big Dunn]

I don't care who tries to do this, whether it's Haymon or Don King or Bob Arum or ODLH. I do not think that someone who 'advises' or manages or otherwise controls a large group of fighters should be getting involved in some kind of new boxing league promotion. I consider his actions which block promoters who are not affiliated with Haymon from this league to violate anti-competition laws. I have trouble understanding how this does not violate the Ali Act in one way or another. By putting these shows together, Haymon becomes a de-facto promoter. If Haymon is in charge of these fight cards and of the amount of the purse, how can he represent his fighters effectively and non-partially at the same time? If one fighter is not happy with his purse, will Haymon enter into contract discussions with himself?

The entire thing smells of corruption to me. Don King would be very proud of Haymon and is probably pissed off that he never thought of this first.

I think he is trying to phase out the old school promoters. I think that is a good thing as they take way too much. Most of what they do can be done using social media in this day and age.

You raise some good points. By giving fighters such high purses, he ensures they will not be upset I suppose. His contracts with individual fighters and the networks effectively eliminates the need for a promoter so he is clearly working a loophole in the Ali act.

I think he is no more corrupt than King or Arum.

[SUBZER0ED]

They are less than one third of the NBC numbers. But that is to be expected seeing as everyone has NBC as part of their cable package, or over the air with an antenna. Spike is not a basic cable channel and is not included in every package and is not available over the air. I do not have Spike in my package although I could exchange one of the channels I rarely watch for it if I wish. I used to have it but dumped it after a month or so due to their terrible programming.

Given those facts, Spike may as well be a premium channel. Also, the card wasn't very compelling, so expectations probably weren't that high.

[Barcham]

I think he is trying to phase out the old school promoters. I think that is a good thing as they take way too much. Most of what they do can be done using social media in this day and age.

You raise some good points. By giving fighters such high purses, he ensures they will not be upset I suppose. His contracts with individual fighters and the networks effectively eliminates the need for a promoter so he is clearly working a loophole in the Ali act.

I think he is no more corrupt than King or Arum.

The main problem I have is that he cannot properly represent the best interests of his clients while he is also for all intents and purposes, their boss and employer at the same time. When a fighter signs a contract for Haymon to act as their advisor or manager, they are effectively hiring him to work for them. How can they possibly work for him at the same time? It is patently impossible.

The only way I see this being possible would be for him to cancel all existing contracts with the fighters and sign the fighters to exclusive contracts where they only fight under the PBC banner. I seriously cannot imaging any boxer being ****** enough to do that and I can imagine attempting to cancel the existing contracts to lead to numerous court challenges if not outright criminal charges against him.

[The Big Dunn]

The main problem I have is that he cannot properly represent the best interests of his clients while he is also for all intents and purposes, their boss and employer at the same time. When a fighter signs a contract for Haymon to act as their advisor or manager, they are effectively hiring him to work for them. How can they possibly work for him at the same time? It is patently impossible.

The only way I see this being possible would be for him to cancel all existing contracts with the fighters and sign the fighters to exclusive contracts where they only fight under the PBC banner. I seriously cannot imaging any boxer being ****** enough to do that and I can imagine attempting to cancel the existing contracts to lead to numerous court challenges if not outright criminal charges against him.

The clause he puts in his contracts means they are in effect working for him. Similar thing Bob does with TR fighters. These are very smart men who are in this business to make money.

You really want to see Haymon go down. Is what it is. I don't think he will but only time will tell. Until then, I'll be watching the fights. Hope you do the same.

[joseph5620]

Wanting it to fail and not seeing how this business strategy can be sustained are 2 totally different things.

I don't think any true boxing fan wants this to fail. If so you're not a boxing fan. What I see here are many people mistaking those questioning how this can succeed long term for wanting it to fail.

Yes, you want it to fail and you are obviously not an accountant. Just admit you have an agenda and stop pretending that you know more with your phony internet financial advise than the people who are actually accomplishing something in this sport.

That's also directed towards all of the phony boxing fans who complain every week about boxing on network television.

[SUBZER0ED]

I want it to fail because of what I believe Haymon wishes to do, and that is remake boxing in the UFC model of business. He wants to replace over a century of titles and tradition with his own closed league of fighters with himself in total control. I think this will destroy boxing, not help it and hope he loses his shirt.

What I would like to see would be boxing presented normally, as it is on Showtime and HBO with no ulterior motives to control the sport. I want to see the sport presented in the same way as a NFL game or MLB game or NHL game. THAT will have my support. Haymon and his ideas never will.

At least you are honest about this. I think you are a little paranoid as nothing has suggested this is what will happen.

The problem is too many posters are afraid of just stating this outright. They are because unlike you they have argued this is exactly what boxing needs. Yet when its Haymon that they think is doing it, then they suddenly have a problem.

Then they get questioned about what there real issue is, which makes them very uncomfortable because, if you think this model helps the sport, it shouldn't matter who does it.

Interesting posts. I don't want Haymon's venture to fail per se, but I don't trust the guy. Everyone knows his rep for luring many fighters into his stable, and then controlling who fights whom-much to fighting fans' peril. Instead of the best fights, we got garbage fights. Now, he's allegedly on a quest to give fans what they have been begging for: great fights. However, he took many fighters away from HBO, and his fighters generally don't fight HBO fighters. There's also the issue with Roc Nation trying to get into the fray, but Haymon and Jay Z have beef. So there is yet another conflict, which further fragments boxing. Why can't all of these en****** settle their differences and get on with the potentially lucrative business of making great fights together? Now that would be a venture that could blow up! Instead, everyone is trying to one-up each other, and fans get the by-product, which ranges from merely decent to absolute crap.

[Divine Hammer]

hahahahahahahahahaha what a joke.

those are some mediocre numbers. and it will only go down from there.