PBC on Spike ratings: 869,000 viewers 0.3 rating 18-49

[The Big Dunn]

Interesting posts. I don't want Haymon's venture to fail per se, but I don't trust the guy. Everyone knows his rep for luring many fighters into his stable, and then controlling who fights whom-much to fighting fans' peril. Instead of the best fights, we got garbage fights. Now, he's allegedly on a quest to give fans what they have been begging for: great fights. However, he took many fighters away from HBO, and his fighters generally don't fight HBO fighters. There's also the issue with Roc Nation trying to get into the fray, but Haymon and Jay Z have beef. So there is yet another conflict, which further fragments boxing. Why can't all of these en****** settle their differences and get on with the potentially lucrative business of making great fights together? Now that would be a venture that could blow up! Instead, everyone is trying to one-up each other, and fans get the by-product, which ranges from merely decent to absolute crap.

If HBO and Haymon work out their differences, we agree that is a good thing. I read the article you posted yesterday. HBO's issue was high prices for bad fights. They never said they would stop putting on those fights, but rather if they can get Haymon fighters "at the right price".

No promoter or manager makes a network air a bad fight. The network heads make the decisions. The reality is nowadays fans like "bxers" more than they like "boxing". If a network can get away with a Kov/Caparello, Floyd/Ghost, Manny/Algieiri, Danny/Salka GGG/Monroe, etc. fight, they will do it everytime.

If the best fights are made and the winners rewarded with bigger fights it should all take care of itself.

[SUBZER0ED]

If HBO and Haymon work out their differences, we agree that is a good thing. I read the article you posted yesterday. HBO's issue was high prices for bad fights. They never said they would stop putting on those fights, but rather if they can get Haymon fighters "at the right price".

No promoter or manager makes a network air a bad fight. The network heads make the decisions. The reality is nowadays fans like "bxers" more than they like "boxing". If a network can get away with a Kov/Caparello, Floyd/Ghost, Manny/Algieiri, Danny/Salka GGG/Monroe, etc. fight, they will do it everytime.

If the best fights are made and the winners rewarded with bigger fights it should all take care of itself.

I'm not sure which fans fall into that category. I don't think I've seen one poster on this site who is ok with settling for seeing their favorite boxer beat up a tomato can, rather than face a true contender.

I see your point about network execs' approval of putting on lame fights. Everyone has an agenda- the promoters, "advisors", networks and fighters. The fans of the sport ultimately have to take whatever comes down the pike. That is, until they get so frustrated that they give up on the sport altogether. The threat of a disintrested fan base and subsequent failure, has to serve as motivation for the powers that be to make compelling fights.

[The Big Dunn]

I'm not sure which fans fall into that category. I don't think I've seen one poster on this site who is ok with settling for seeing their favorite boxer beat up a tomato can, rather than face a true contender.

I see your point about network execs' approval of putting on lame fights. Everyone has an agenda- the promoters, "advisors", networks and fighters. The fans of the sport ultimately have to take whatever comes down the pike. That is, until they get so frustrated that they give up on the sport altogether. The threat of a disintrested fan base and subsequent failure, has to serve as motivation for the powers that be to make compelling fights.

Some on this site, I was speaking more about casual fans. They gravitate toward stars in all sports as opposed to teams or the sport itself.

I would hope networks just go back to selling the sport. For example, I can't understand why BAD isn't doing something with 122/126 with all the talent there. BAD started on HBO with quality fights from lower weights. They should get back to taking chances and innovative programming.

I get they have a bottom line, but I would much rather see that then see just names in with bums.

[SUBZER0ED]

hahahahahahahahahaha what a joke.

those are some mediocre numbers. and it will only go down from there.

So Hammer, it's clear that you want Haymon to fail. But what do you look forward to as the alternative, should you get your wish?

[Barcham]

If HBO and Haymon work out their differences, we agree that is a good thing. I read the article you posted yesterday. HBO's issue was high prices for bad fights. They never said they would stop putting on those fights, but rather if they can get Haymon fighters "at the right price".

No promoter or manager makes a network air a bad fight. The network heads make the decisions. The reality is nowadays fans like "bxers" more than they like "boxing". If a network can get away with a Kov/Caparello, Floyd/Ghost, Manny/Algieiri, Danny/Salka GGG/Monroe, etc. fight, they will do it everytime.

If the best fights are made and the winners rewarded with bigger fights it should all take care of itself.

The networks have no say in what Haymon puts on his various PBC shows. He has purchased the time slot and can put on 12 year old school girls playing field hockey if he feels like it. He can even create his own weight divisions apart from what is currently the standard in boxing today. There is no one and nothing standing in his way from doing whatever he wishes to do.

As for watching his programming, well I might consider doing so if he starts showing respect for the current champions that exist and stops giving us crap like two champions fighting a 10 round fight at a catch weight with no titles at stake.

[Tay Roc]

Fresh Price after seeing the PBC ratings on Spike...

[Barcham]

There was nothing at all wrong with the ratings on Spike. They are in line with what can be expected on that particular channel. They are not a high rated network with popular shows that everyone tunes in to watch. They are a fringe network with fringe programming for a fringe audience. Expecting anything more would be foolish.

[The Big Dunn]

The networks have no say in what Haymon puts on his various PBC shows. He has purchased the time slot and can put on 12 year old school girls playing field hockey if he feels like it. He can even create his own weight divisions apart from what is currently the standard in boxing today. There is no one and nothing standing in his way from doing whatever he wishes to do.

As for watching his programming, well I might consider doing so if he starts showing respect for the current champions that exist and stops giving us crap like two champions fighting a 10 round fight at a catch weight with no titles at stake.

What? dude, come on you've gone overboard again with paranoia. There is no way NBC will let Haymon put on what he wants, just as there was no way HBO would either. It all goes through the chain and someone makes the decision.

He may try and create new weights. Overall, I think boxing should do that as the average size of humans has changed considerably since these weights were established. The Olympics, for example, have adjusted weights in boxing, judo and wrestling.

What does the weight or the lack of titles being on the line have to do with the quality of the fight? It takes away from the drama. If you get a FOTY candidate or we get lucky and get a gatti/ward type fight (not saying we will), does it really matter ?

[SUBZER0ED]

The networks have no say in what Haymon puts on his various PBC shows. He has purchased the time slot and can put on 12 year old school girls playing field hockey if he feels like it. He can even create his own weight divisions apart from what is currently the standard in boxing today. There is no one and nothing standing in his way from doing whatever he wishes to do.As for watching his programming, well I might consider doing so if he starts showing respect for the current champions that exist and stops giving us crap like two champions fighting a 10 round fight at a catch weight with no titles at stake.

I sincerely doubt that. There is a little thing called a contract, which addresses the specifics of what will be aired and when. There is no way that execs would sign away the rights to control what gets shown on their networks.

[croz]

hahahahahahahahahaha what a joke.

those are some mediocre numbers. and it will only go down from there.

They're pretty good numbers. We're talking about some pretty obscure names here, not exactly Cotto, GGG or Canelo. Berto vs Lopez wouldn't even crack a million on HBO. Clearly he is using Spike as a platform for the less than A-level match ups. They managed to crack a million, something Bellator wasn't able to do with their first show. Berto vs Lopez is only a notch above a good FNF on ESPN2.