At what point do we stop using the "GGG is being ducked" excuse?

[bojangles1987]

Okay, well maybe NATAS and Bojangles are right.


But it's been 2.5 years.... I'm getting impatient



If nothing happens by next summer. I'm making this thread again and you two better not give the same responses.

Manny Pacquiao was a world champ across 2 or 3 divisions before anyone cared about him. Floyd Mayweather cleared out 130 and was only an HBO star because he is American. Hopkins spent years and years in this exact scenario. Rigondeaux is going through it right now and failing because he's done it the wrong way.

Golovkin is way ahead of the game compared to most boxers. A year ago he had Geale and Murray making excuses to avoid him. He fought both in that time.

I truly believe that if Alvarez fights and beats Cotto, that will be Golovkin's breakout fight.

[King_]

I'm going to disagree with you there. While fighting top 10 or top 15 guys, whoever is the best available, isn't doing anything for his legacy at the moment but it certainly can in the long run if he stays patient. Follow the Bernard Hopkins blueprint. Hopkins had the exact same problem (the other title holders (Don King) would not fight him) and Hopkins had to keep fighting top 10 guys & mandatories, until eventually he got Trinidad & then Oscar. What Hopkins did was have a record 20 title defenses at Middleweight. Golovkin already has 13 or 14 title defenses, something like that. Of course we can get into the technicalities of the various belts and whatnot, but that's what will be said. At this rate, he can break Hopkins record which, in fact, does add to his legacy, and while doing so, at some point, he's going to get bigger names at 160, whether that's Canelo or Quillin or N'Dam; he's going to get some bigger fights because Golovkin is becoming a solid star, so the financial reward will be there for opponents. "Hey I might get beat up, but at least I'm gonna get paid." That's what it will take really.

Or, like you say, he can make a strong push for big names after his May date and if he doesn't get anything, move to 168 and start all over again. It's already going to be tricky to get Chavez (Haymon), Froch may not be here much longer so that basically leaves Ward as the only real "money fight" (which in all honesty isn't THAT big of a fight). After Ward, win or lose, there's guys like DeGale, Dirrell, Bika, Groves, and Abraham. That's pretty much it. It's really not that appealing there either once you take out Froch & Chavez and the only "legacy fight" is Ward. If I'm his handlers, I like the potential of a Canelo fight better.

But that's what we've been hoping for the past 2.5 years. Don't you think 2.5 pushing 3 years.. is starting to get to that point where they have to do something different? Which is what I'm suggesting with this thread.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

A few months ago I would of told you to piss off. But now: Yes, I would even want a Hopkins-Golovkin matchup. Anything.


What was Chavez Jr's idea???

He said Hopkins and Golovkin should fight each other on the undercard of him versus Froch this summer with the winners potentially meeting later.

[King_]

Manny Pacquiao was a world champ across 2 or 3 divisions before anyone cared about him. Floyd Mayweather cleared out 130 and was only an HBO star because he is American. Hopkins spent years and years in this exact scenario. Rigondeaux is going through it right now and failing because he's done it the wrong way.

Golovkin is way ahead of the game compared to most boxers. A year ago he had Geale and Murray making excuses to avoid him. He fought both in that time.

That is a very good point.

It's just that point where we all know how good he is man, the "big fights" are going to be the only fights that add some mystery/unknown factor to his fights from here on out. That or moving up to 168 and fighting top 15 guys there. Anyone left at 160 is fun for us fans cause we love watching Golovkin.... but we KNOW what's going to happen. You get what I'm saying?


And yes I would love for GGG to fight Canelo.

[King_]

He said Hopkins and Golovkin should fight each other on the undercard of him versus Froch this summer with the winners potentially meeting later.

Damn. That is a great idea.


See something like that. Try something new. The "Golovkin model" has been working as Bojangles just said.... but to me it's almost at the point where it's only benefiting HBO/his handlers and not Golovkin's legacy at this point anymore if he keeps fighting the Taureano Johnson, Sergio Mora's of the world.


But then again, Natas and Bojangles both did just make good points. I still would like to see something like that JCC Jr idea. But he's with Haymon- and we all know what happened with Adonis' "agreement" with Kovalev. They would literally have to sign a contract with a very detailed and expensive lawsuit to come if they back out after the fights.

[ИATAS]

Can't be denied that long term domination can also work out, usually you start younger than Golovkin but if he can make it work more power to him. Canelo would be his Tito although luckily for him that is a lot closer than it was for B Hop.

Honestly him and Ward should fight for all the marbles, that fight makes the most sense when both are clear cut the top guys in their classes. Ward kind of is that but he has fought so infrequently that he needs to reestablish it. Golovkin's case is well laid out, but if Cotto drops the belt for him he has to find a credible number 2 (personally I am hoping for Lemieux). Golovkin and Ward just fighting would seem out of place, I would want that fight to be right for both of them.

Yeah, i do think Ward & GGG are destined to fight each other, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for right now because it's not that big of a fight yet. I think that's a fight for 2016 assuming Ward gets back into the spot light (which you'd imagine he will and GGG keeps winning. GGG is going to push for unification fights and Canelo. He gets that or doesn't, eventually there's Ward.

[Tay Roc]

Never

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[ИATAS]

Damn. That is a great idea.


See something like that. Try something new. The "Golovkin model" has been working as Bojangles just said.... but to me it's almost at the point where it's only benefiting HBO/his handlers and not Golovkin's legacy at this point anymore if he keeps fighting the Taureano Johnson, Sergio Mora's of the world.


But then again, Natas and Bojangles both did just make good points. I still would like to see something like that JCC Jr idea. But he's with Haymon- and we all know what happened with Adonis' "agreement" with Kovalev. They would literally have to sign a contract with a very detailed and expensive lawsuit to come if they back out after the fights.

The "Golovkin Model" is exactly the Kovalev model. Kathy Duva in fact said they were copying Golovkin. Fight frequently, fight the top guys available until a big fight comes. Fortunately for Kovalev Hopkins was man enough to fight him (but even then it only happened because Haymon stalled on Hopkins-Stevenson and Hopkins was about to be stripped of a title) and now Pascal as well.

I really don't like the idea of Hopkins vs Golovkin at this point being that Bhop is 50 now, he's coming off his worst defeat in his career and it would have to be at like 170 or so. With Kovalev, Hopkins was a unified title holder and was on a winning streak. It was beneficial for Kovalev to fight him because he wanted his belts in addition to his name. For GGG at this point, I guess it's a name but after that loss and age 50? It's not much incentive, GGG wouldn't get the recognition Kovalev did for beating dominating Hopkins if he could (he won't be nominated for fighter of the year if he KO'd Hopkins at this point or dominated him). But I suppose if they only care about the name and that's it, it's something.

[bojangles1987]

The "Golovkin Model" is exactly the Kovalev model. Kathy Duva in fact said they were copying Golovkin. Fight frequently, fight the top guys available until a big fight comes. Fortunately for Kovalev Hopkins was man enough to fight him (but even then it only happened because Haymon stalled on Hopkins-Stevenson and Hopkins was about to be stripped of a title) and now Pascal as well.

I really don't like the idea of Hopkins vs Golovkin at this point being that Bhop is 50 now, he's coming off his worst defeat in his career and it would have to be at like 170 or so. With Kovalev, Hopkins was a unified title holder and was on a winning streak. It was beneficial for Kovalev to fight him because he wanted his belts in addition to his name. For GGG at this point, I guess it's a name but after that loss and age 50? It's not much incentive, but I suppose if they only care about the name and that's it, it's something.

Kovalev was real lucky. He was on the verge of being in an even worse spot than Golovkin is now. Thankfully, Hopkins stepped up.

[The Gambler1981]

Yeah, i do think Ward & GGG are destined to fight each other, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for right now because it's not that big of a fight yet. I think that's a fight for 2016 assuming Ward gets back into the spot light (which you'd imagine he will and GGG keeps winning. GGG is going to push for unification fights and Canelo. He gets that or doesn't, eventually there's Ward.

Indeed, I am with all that.