At what point do we stop using the "GGG is being ducked" excuse?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Why don't they try to fight Bernard Hopkins at 168?

Hopkins wants a big fight and might thrive off another chance to end another boogeyman's hype

Golovkin needs a name on his resume to really cross over.

Chavez Jr's idea was actually pretty good. Would people not be up for this?

[boliodogs]

To much to read in the morning. I'll stop saying some of the top middleweights are ducking him when they stop ducking him. His last 3 opponents were all top 10 rated. GGG ducks no one. What middleweight other than GGG fights 4 or 5 times a year against rated middleweights? To me his is the real world middleweight champ until some other middleweight beats him. As far as Ward goes he has always fought at 168. If he wants to fight GGG then meet him in the middle at 164. GGG is a small middleweight who says he can fight at 154 for a big fight.

[Hougigo]

Yes- I want him to fight Cotto next. Did you see what I suggested about getting these type of fights? Why don't they do this? And if they don't want to do this..... read the last lines of the OP. They're clearly milking him, and it's not fair to Golovkin or fans of boxing.


"What I mean is..... Golovkin's being ducked? Okay. No more lists of Sergio Mora, Taureano Johnson and Gregorsz Proksas little brother..... How about you resend offers to the guys he needs to fight: Cotto, Quillin, etc.... and make it public. Every fighter, promoter, network, etc, uses twitter nowadays. If Quillin or Cotto's handlers are avoiding you and acting like you don't exist... Why doesn't Loeffler/HBO make them offers and use twitter and other media outlets to make the offer public. Force their hand. Make them publicly decline a Golovkin fight. Allow their fans and friends to know there is this "beast in the MW division" that could give them a huge payday, that they don't want to fight."

Quillin fight offer was made public last year, not like open details but both sides confirmed a deal was sent.... then they said let's do an open bid, then it died.

Also you don't openly do that with Cotto....because then it's dead before it even starts.
They can force a Jacobs fight for fall by makking the WBA enforce a mandatory because as champion, they should have that right...at least I think. I'll find out later.

We'll find out later with the IBF.

As for May, yea he's staying active...but I don't like any of the opponents and it'll most likely suck balls. If it's any of those 3, that's some off t.v stuff...like Monaco

[mike1010011]

Golovkin just beat the second best guy at middleweight, and you keep bringing up this "top 25 business". His goal is to unify the division,which would do far more for his legacy,than moving up right now and being called " the almost lineal middleweight champ". Beating murray,earned him the mandatory shot at the wbc belt,whether its agaisnt cotto or not.
Your suggestion of making the offers public is kinda faulty. Is the idea is that the other fighters will feel ashamed,and forced to fight GGG? Peter quillin straight up ducked Matt,and dropped the belt due to "family issues". When a fighter doesn't want a fight, there's no getting them in the ring.
Now,let's talk about 168. Who there is a big money fight? Carl frotch? He's chasing the Julio Cesar Chavez money. Ward? He needs two tune ups,so the earliest that fight can happen,is mid to late 2016. Chavez? That boy is running from GGG,like he owes him money. Golovkin moving up to 168 would do nothing for him,because he'd just be fighting the no namers in the division,which happens to be most of them. The closest big money fights that he has available to him,are cotto and canelo in mid to late 2015. Legacy wise,it would be the lee-quillen winner,or the holder of the wbc belt. The way things look now,if he can't get ward at 168 in 2016,he'd need to go for Lara at 154,or all the way up to 175 for kovalev,Stevenson,and b-hop,which sounds like an insane idea.
I'm a huge GGG fan,and I've realized that he's been getting the best possible opponents,considering his circumstances. Trust me,this will be his break out year,just wait.

[ИATAS]

Okay man... so Cotto's out of the question. OKAY. That's done with.


Move up. Fighting these stay-busy MW's does nothing for his legacy. It's easy for us fans at home watching on TV and his handlers and HBO who are getting paid to be happy when he's knocking out guys who are 10 levels below him talent-wise. But Gennady Golovkin isn't just fighting for money- he's a throwback fighter. He wants to be great. Give him fights that further his "greatness."

I'm going to disagree with you there. While fighting top 10 or top 15 guys, whoever is the best available, isn't doing anything for his legacy at the moment but it certainly can in the long run if he stays patient. Follow the Bernard Hopkins blueprint. Hopkins had the exact same problem (the other title holders (Don King) would not fight him) and Hopkins had to keep fighting top 10 guys & mandatories, until eventually he got Trinidad & then Oscar. What Hopkins did was have a record 20 title defenses at Middleweight. Golovkin already has 13 or 14 title defenses, something like that. Of course we can get into the technicalities of the various belts and whatnot, but that's what will be said. At this rate, he can break Hopkins record which, in fact, does add to his legacy, and while doing so, at some point, he's going to get bigger names at 160, whether that's Canelo or Quillin or N'Dam; he's going to get some bigger fights because Golovkin is becoming a solid star, so the financial reward will be there for opponents. "Hey I might get beat up, but at least I'm gonna get paid." That's what it will take really.

Or, like you say, he can make a strong push for big names after his May date and if he doesn't get anything, move to 168 and start all over again. It's already going to be tricky to get Chavez (Haymon), Froch may not be here much longer so that basically leaves Ward as the only real "money fight" (which in all honesty isn't THAT big of a fight). After Ward, win or lose, there's guys like DeGale, Dirrell, Bika, Groves, and Abraham. That's pretty much it. It's really not that appealing there either once you take out Froch & Chavez and the only "legacy fight" is Ward. If I'm his handlers, I like the potential of a Canelo fight better.

[bojangles1987]

I sure hope so.


He's landing fights because he's a MW champion signed with HBO. He wasn't landing fights because he was fighting truck drivers in Germany. Not sure exactly what you're getting at. Give any talented fighter a championship belt and sign him with HBO and he'll get fights and become a "rising star" by knocking everyone out. His team didn't exactly develop some rocket-science plan.

Golovkin is a talented fighters. His performances are what's making him a star. HBO is the platform delivering the performances. You're not going to be a rising-star getting big fights fighting part-time fighters in Germany or Kazakhstan................

It's been 2.5 years and he's yet to get a "big fight." Lomachenko has been in the USA for less than half that time and is fighting on a Mayweather-Pac undercard. So uhhh, yeah.

Exactly, and that's why they should keep doing what they're doing. All that pressure you want Golovkin's team to put on fighters, the public are doing it for them. Keep him active and in the spotlight. A year ago, Froch and Chavez and Cotto and Alvarez wouldn't bother responding to a question about Gennady Golovkin. Now they are, because they're hearing from fans who want to see them fight this Kazakh monster knocking everyone out.

Think about that, in 2.5 years Golovkin has gone from middleweight purgatory to one of the biggest fighters on HBO. Guys who completely ignored him were eventually left with no choice but to fight him. Golovkin is doing fine. And as long as he keeps winning and keeps doing what he's done so far, he will land whatever fights he wants. This is how boxing works. Unless you have a Haymon or Arum shoving you down everyone's throats, you have to do this to get fights.

Lomachenko is a huge exception to the rule.

[The Gambler1981]

I'm going to disagree with you there. While fighting top 10 or top 15 guys, whoever is the best available, isn't doing anything for his legacy at the moment but it certainly can in the long run if he stays patient. Follow the Bernard Hopkins blueprint. Hopkins had the exact same problem (the other title holders (Don King) would not fight him) and Hopkins had to keep fighting top 10 guys & mandatories, until eventually he got Trinidad & then Oscar. What Hopkins did was have a record 20 title defenses at Middleweight. Golovkin already has 13 or 14 title defenses, something like that. Of course we can get into the technicalities of the various belts and whatnot, but that's what will be said. At this rate, he can break Hopkins record which, in fact, does add to his legacy, and while doing so, at some point, he's going to get bigger names at 160, whether that's Canelo or Quillin or N'Dam; he's going to get some bigger fights because Golovkin is becoming a solid star, so the financial reward will be there for opponents. "Hey I might get beat up, but at least I'm gonna get paid." That's what it will take really.

Or, like you say, he can make a strong push for big names after his May date and if he doesn't get anything, move to 168 and start all over again. It's already going to be tricky to get Chavez (Haymon), Froch may not be here much longer so that basically leaves Ward as the only real "money fight" (which in all honesty isn't THAT big of a fight). After Ward, win or lose, there's guys like DeGale, Dirrell, Bika, Groves, and Abraham. That's pretty much it. It's really not that appealing there either once you take out Froch & Chavez and the only "legacy fight" is Ward. If I'm his handlers, I like the potential of a Canelo fight better.

Can't be denied that long term domination can also work out, usually you start younger than Golovkin but if he can make it work more power to him. Canelo would be his Tito although luckily for him that is a lot closer than it was for B Hop.

Honestly him and Ward should fight for all the marbles, that fight makes the most sense when both are clear cut the top guys in their classes. Ward kind of is that but he has fought so infrequently that he needs to reestablish it. Golovkin's case is well laid out, but if Cotto drops the belt for him he has to find a credible number 2 (personally I am hoping for Lemieux). Golovkin and Ward just fighting would seem out of place, I would want that fight to be right for both of them.

[The Gambler1981]

Exactly, and that's why they should keep doing what they're doing. All that pressure you want Golovkin's team to put on fighters, the public are doing it for them. Keep him active and in the spotlight. A year ago, Froch and Chavez and Cotto and Alvarez wouldn't bother responding to a question about Gennady Golovkin. Now they are, because they're hearing from fans who want to see them fight this Kazakh monster knocking everyone out.

Think about that, in 2.5 years Golovkin has gone from middleweight purgatory to one of the biggest fighters on HBO. Guys who completely ignored him were eventually left with no choice but to fight him. Golovkin is doing fine. And as long as he keeps winning and keeps doing what he's done so far, he will land whatever fights he wants. This is how boxing works. Unless you have a Haymon or Arum shoving you down everyone's throats, you have to do this to get fights.

Lomachenko is a huge exception to the rule.

That last step or the last few steps are the hardest.

[King_]

Okay, well maybe NATAS and Bojangles are right.


But it's been 2.5 years.... I'm getting impatient



If nothing happens by next summer. I'm making this thread again and you two better not give the same responses.

[King_]

Why don't they try to fight Bernard Hopkins at 168?

Hopkins wants a big fight and might thrive off another chance to end another boogeyman's hype

Golovkin needs a name on his resume to really cross over.

Chavez Jr's idea was actually pretty good. Would people not be up for this?

A few months ago I would of told you to piss off. But now: Yes, I would even want a Hopkins-Golovkin matchup. Anything.


What was Chavez Jr's idea???


And to Natas and everyone saying what big-money fights are available at 168 besides Ward, Froch and JCC Jr:

I didn't mean move up for big-money fights at 168. I just meant move up to 168 and fight the "top guys" how he is now, but at 168. Maybe some of them won't fight him.... But Abraham, Stieglitz, Dirrell, Groves, etc, are all way better for his legacy then any top fighter besides the ones ducking him at 160. Assuming they want the fights.