why do people think RJJ is a bum?

[Easy-E]

wins against woods, kelly, gonzales, harmon, harding, hall, telesco, ancient johnson, grant, ancient mccallum, sosa, ancient thornton, paz & del valle mean NOTHING,

However...wins over vaca, castro, malinga, hopkins, tate, toney, hill & griffin are awesome. those are his best wins in his prime, against the best fighters, not his bull**** light heavy days against nobodies

every single one of those fighters are solid, quality fighters, almost every one was a number one contender. and remember, its not just THAT he beat all these guys, its HOW he beat all these guys.

i know records arn't everything, but look at this

Woods 32-1
Ruiz 38-4
Jelly 28-0
Gonzalez 27-0
Harmon 20-1
Harding 19-0
Grant 31-1
Hill 43-2
Griffen 27-0
McCallum 49-3
Tate 29-2
Castro 70-3
Hopkins 22-1
the list goes on, jones faced so many good and great fighters its unreal

[badblood]

This thread should be deleeted for even suggesting such a thing.

[Moschino045]

He did not "skip" McClellan. Mcclellan's time in the spotlight was very short.

Mcclennan says after his 30-second bodyshot ko of some guy (i dont remember who he was fightin, quickest ko in middleweight world championship history tho) that he wanted 2 fight next either julian jackson, james toney or roy jones, said rjj for summer 1994 to decide who is the best middle weight would "set the boxing world alight"

[Moschino045]

every single one of those fighters are solid, quality fighters, almost every one was a number one contender. and remember, its not just THAT he beat all these guys, its HOW he beat all these guys.

i know records arn't everything, but look at this

Woods 32-1
Ruiz 38-4
Jelly 28-0
Gonzalez 27-0
Harmon 20-1
Harding 19-0
Grant 31-1
Hill 43-2
Griffen 27-0
McCallum 49-3
Tate 29-2
Castro 70-3
Hopkins 22-1
the list goes on, jones faced so many good and great fighters its unreal

clinton Woods ? Gonzales ? come on dude. Woods sucks, hes a nice guy & all that but come on man, hes the weakest world champ for some time !

[benjamin2004]

Cant nobody deny he was a beats in his prime and his legacy is established, so to badmouth him now is simply ******!!!

[jabsRstiff]

Mcclennan says after his 30-second bodyshot ko of some guy (i dont remember who he was fightin, quickest ko in middleweight world championship history tho) that he wanted 2 fight next either julian jackson, james toney or roy jones, said rjj for summer 1994 to decide who is the best middle weight would "set the boxing world alight"

That was Jay Bell......& I think Bernard Hopkins KO'd a guy named "Something Frank" in quicker time, after that.

Still, just because McClellan said that, that doesn't mean that meant Roy avoided him.
Roy fought Toney in '94.....rising up in weight to face the guy many (myself included) thought was the best fighter in the world, lb4lb.
Roy wasn't afraid of McClellan.

[Bozo_no no]

clinton Woods ? Gonzales ? come on dude. Woods sucks, hes a nice guy & all that but come on man, hes the weakest world champ for some time !

Jones toyed with Gonzalez, beat him 120-105, and then Gonzalez went to Germany and beat Darius.

What is your issue here?

You can take any Hall of Fame fighter and point out 2 or 3 names they could have fought but didn't.

And in more cases than not, there's more to the story than you know.

You mentioned Benn. Somone just posted a interview where he mentioned he never had a lot of interest in fighting Jones.

You're just adding to an already ****** thread with this futile nit picking.

[Moschino045]

RJJ vs Gonzales is a embarassment, i actually watched it again the other night. its a pathetic fight. Gonzales was actually cryin he was so scared, & RJJ was so damn boooring by then. i love watchin RJJ back when he was actually rippin out POWER combos on Tate, Paz etc

[AintGottaClue]

Who thinks he's a bum? That's the ******est thing I've ever heard.

Making a thread even asking/adressing the one or two idiots who might have ever said something so ****** is almost as bad.

like to troll dont ya bozo

[Moschino045]

Jones toyed with Gonzalez, beat him 120-105, and then Gonzalez went to Germany and beat Darius.

What is your issue here?

You can take any Hall of Fame fighter and point out 2 or 3 names they could have fought but didn't.

And in more cases than not, there's more to the story than you know.

You mentioned Benn. Somone just posted a interview where he mentioned he never had a lot of interest in fighting Jones.

You're just adding to an already ****** thread with this futile nit picking.

darius was yrs past prime when this gonzales dude fought him, & was over rated euro fighter any way who wouldnt leave germany for ****. light heavy ****** since mike spinx left. rjj was damn boring at light heavy, when i first started watch boxing i thought rjj was like a demigod (paz, hill bodyshot, griffin 2), by the time the year 2000 was on the scene i could not stand to watch rjj any more becos he was getting so boring. he has ruined his legacy by not hangin up the gloves.