Soviet/Eastern European heavyweights dominating 60s/70s era? Myth Busted!

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To ignore that rubbish and add on the post I quoted...

The CORRECT response is..

"HOW excellet of the former Eastern Bloc to have dominated to such an extent in the Olympic Games at boxing over the US, barring only a FEW EXCEPTIONS, despite not even having a professional boxing industry the whole time, IMAGINE how badly they would have thrashed if they HAD have!!!"

THIS^^ Is basically end thread stuff!

I dunno.. the Eastern Bloc are just as crazy about hockey as the Canadians and they still get their a$$es whooped in international competition. Even worse, the Eastern Bloc can't even deal with the Americans!

[Elroy1]

Unfortunately I don't work in "could have's" and "if's". They were taught boxing the way they were taught it. And that's what we can discuss.

Would those guys have beaten them in the pros? I think that's a resounding no looking at the whoopings they took in the amateurs.

Fact of the matter is that they'd have to get american training to learn the pro game i.e. what Golota, Wladimir etc did.

Can you not understand where I'm coming from?

Your whole assessment is if these guys turned pro having only AT THAT MOMENT been allowed to! What a biased BS assessment. See my above reply for the quoted answer to your whole thread!

And what trainers?

ONE great Soviet champ (Klitschko) was PARTLY trained by ONE great American trainer (Steward)...

The same one you guys complain about all the time for teaching Wlad to hold! There are some who even believe Sduneck was a better coach than Steward anyway. I think Steward did what he obviously did, ensured Wladimir victory at the expense of his excitement, he did little else noticeably better from a technical standpoint.

In my opinion, Euro trainers are evidently BETTER today. In my country alone, the national coach is a ****ing Euro ffs!

[Elroy1]

Using words and phrases like "Imagine" and "would have" is not end thread stuff.

It's grasping at straws stuff.

Oh I think we have summarised enough points now to consider your thread pretty much exposed mate...

Thanks for coming chump!

Good research still and nice baiting qualities... You'll try anything to bait me out of ignoring you

If you guided that intelligence more toward analysis than you do history glorification you'd be worthy to take off ignore! Think about it!

[Elroy1]

I dunno.. the Eastern Bloc are just as crazy about hockey as the Canadians and they still get their a$$es whooped in international competition. Even worse, the Eastern Bloc can't even deal with the Americans!

I am not praising the Soviet position in boxing because I LIKE them better.

My position is this...

If the Soviets are better than the Canadians at Hockey, they are better, if they aren't, they aren't..

If the Soviets are better than the Americans at boxing, they are better, if they aren't, they aren't..

It so happens that the Soviets are better than the Americans at boxing both now, and analysing the only place they could have met US boxers in the distant past (Olympics), they have always been better overall!

[SirTomJones]

To be fair all African Americans know that every single player in the NBA including the crap ones on the bench (minus the white guys) would be world heavyweight champion boxers.

[B-Bomber]

Can you not understand where I'm coming from?

Your whole assessment is if these guys turned pro having only AT THAT MOMENT been allowed to! What a biased BS assessment. See my above reply for the quoted answer to your whole thread!

And what trainers?

ONE great Soviet champ (Klitschko) was PARTLY trained by ONE great American trainer (Steward)...

The same one you guys complain about all the time for teaching Wlad to hold! There are some who even believe Sduneck was a better coach than Steward anyway. I think Steward did what he obviously did, ensured Wladimir victory at the expense of his excitement, he did little else noticeably better from a technical standpoint.

In my opinion, Euro trainers are evidently BETTER today. In my country alone, the national coach is a ****ing Euro ffs!

For once I can agree with you on a few things.

The thread is obviously biased in the regard of what would have happened if fighters from the ex Soviet Union were allowed to fight professionally.

They could have trained wherever they liked, I said in the US because that was (is) were most great trainers worked, regardless of their nationality.

For instance GGG is trained by a Mexican, but trains in the US.

As for Europeans trainers getting better than their counterpart in the US, I don't know, many European fighters are still taught to fight in a certain style, working behind a jab and not mixing it up a lot, but it is not out of the question.

I still disagree with you regarding how past HW champions would have fared against the fat super HW's of this time, but on that we can agree to disagree.

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I am not praising the Soviet position in boxing because I LIKE them better.

My position is this...

If the Soviets are better than the Canadians at Hockey, they are better, if they aren't, they aren't..

If the Soviets are better than the Americans at boxing, they are better, if they aren't, they aren't..

It so happens that the Soviets are better than the Americans at boxing both now, and analysing the only place they could have met US boxers in the distant past (Olympics), they have always been better overall!

I don't believe you. You have an agenda because if your point was to simply state something as simple and direct as "If the Soviets are better than the Americans at boxing, they are better, if they aren't, they aren't.." you could have saved yourself a lot of typing and just straight up said it a long time ago.

[Elroy1]

To be fair all African Americans know that every single player in the NBA including the crap ones on the bench (minus the white guys) would be world heavyweight champion boxers.

Yes.. I'm sure they do

Sarcasm noted!

Basketball isn't even a contact sport!

Isn't even remotely in the same skillset.

And tall fighters like basketballers, require the longest pedigrees to train (more challenging balance)

[Elroy1]

I don't believe you. You have an agenda because if your point was to simply state something as simple and direct as "If the Soviets are better than the Americans at boxing, they are better, if they aren't, they aren't.." you could have saved yourself a lot of typing and just straight up said it a long time ago.

Well I have only just joined this thread.. So that's pretty quick..

And if you analyse every single post I have ever made here, you will not find a single one that doesn't detract from this exact position (try it), and on any occasion when I have been proven to be wrong, I have straight out admitted it and gave credit.

If that's too much for you to swallow, keep chewing!

The only agenda here is the one I outlined that dot point post above. (a page or 2 ago now)

[ReIoaded]

Well I have only just joined this thread.. So that's pretty quick..

And if you analyse every single post I have ever made here, you will not find a single one that doesn't detract from this exact position (try it), and on any occasion when I have been proven to be wrong, I have straight out admitted it and gave credit.

If that's too much for you to swallow, keep chewing!

The only agenda here is the one I outlined that dot point post above. (a page or 2 ago now)

Oh, I see.