Soviet/Eastern European heavyweights dominating 60s/70s era? Myth Busted!

[Elroy1]

Yes. That's what this whole thread was about. Did you not care to read the OP? Did you not read the thread title? Or are YOU trying to change the subject to suit your agenda?

I don't know why you wish to take it into today? That's not what I want to discuss, what don't you get about that? I agree that the Klitschko's and Golota were fantastically skilled heavyweights? So what are you trying to say?

You obviously didn't get what this thread was about.

Anyway, I'm glad you are man enough to admit that even if the Soviets were fighting pro in the 60s/70s (which is what this thread was about) - they still would have lost to the greats of that era.

Did I give you that impression?

Wrong again..

It stands to reason that if the Soviets were able to have a professional boxing industry right through (i.e. not cut off since decades) they would have obviously produced even better boxers than they had available (with ample more resources of all kinds) and we STILL wouldn't have heard of Frazier, Foreman or Clay!

None of us really know, but logic tells us things wouldn't have been the same.

Your assumption only holds true if Russia had a fully developed boxing system like the first place like the US.

And any objective reader would work that out by ... About now

[Elroy1]

You got your asses kicked...

You invented the nostalgia mythology excuse...

It has been destroyed.

You invented the other interests excuse (basketball, rap music)...

It has been destroyed.

Now your trying down the path of past dominance over the ones that have shamed you..

And it has ALSO been destroyed.

By nothing more than simple logic!

And I don't even care much for Eastern Bloccers to be honest!

I am merely making observational facts.. And following them through to their logical conclusion! If your finding it hard to turn against, well that's because your having to try to hard and I'm not really having to try at all. There's a reason for that!

[ReIoaded]

Did I give you that impression?

Wrong again..

It stands to reason that if the Soviets were able to have a professional boxing industry right through (i.e. not cut off since decades) they would have obviously produced even better boxers than they had available (with ample more resources of all kinds) and we STILL wouldn't have heard of Frazier, Foreman or Clay!

None of us really know, but logic tells us things wouldn't have been the same.

Your assumption only holds true if Russia had a fully developed boxing system like the first place like the US.

And any objective reader would work that out by ... About now

Should we swap Max Schmeling with Sugar Ray Robinson as the consensus GOAT?

[slimshandy69]

Its an awful Arguement from Laced up. Hes trying to compare that the god awful sports of NFL and basketball is comparative to a complete banning of actual Ex soviets trying to turn to pro boxing. Even if his BS argument of ALL the best US sportsman are not compeitng in boxing is hilariously true, doesnt stop the fact that they could and still can go ito pro boxing.

Up until i think 1990, eastern Europeans which lived in then Communist reigns were Not allowed to participate professionally. That is fact.

But also, his argument falls flat as he makes out all Europeans do is box. in fact think of all the Mazing tennis Athletes like Thomas Berdych, Djokovic, nadal etc, or soccer(the most popular sport in the world) such as Bale, Robben, ronaldo went into boxing, or Rugby such as Sam burgess etc

Laced up has been now repaorted for trolling...

[LacedUp]

Did I give you that impression?

Wrong again..

It stands to reason that if the Soviets were able to have a professional boxing industry right through (i.e. not cut off since decades) they would have obviously produced even better boxers than they had available (with ample more resources of all kinds) and we STILL wouldn't have heard of Frazier, Foreman or Clay!

None of us really know, but logic tells us things wouldn't have been the same.

Your assumption only holds true if Russia had a fully developed boxing system like the first place like the US.

And any objective reader would work that out by ... About now

Unfortunately I don't work in "could have's" and "if's". They were taught boxing the way they were taught it. And that's what we can discuss.

Would those guys have beaten them in the pros? I think that's a resounding no looking at the whoopings they took in the amateurs.

Fact of the matter is that they'd have to get american training to learn the pro game i.e. what Golota, Wladimir etc did.

[LacedUp]

Its an awful Arguement from Laced up. Hes trying to compare that the god awful sports of NFL and basketball is comparative to a complete banning of actual Ex soviets trying to turn to pro boxing. Even if his BS argument of ALL the best US sportsman are not compeitng in boxing is hilariously true, doesnt stop the fact that they could and still can go ito pro boxing.

Up until i think 1990, eastern Europeans which lived in then Communist reigns were Not allowed to participate professionally. That is fact.

But also, his argument falls flat as he makes out all Europeans do is box. in fact think of all the Mazing tennis Athletes like Thomas Berdych, Djokovic, nadal etc, or soccer(the most popular sport in the world) such as Bale, Robben, ronaldo went into boxing, or Rugby such as Sam burgess etc

Laced up has been now repaorted for trolling...

Where did I talk about any of that you utter muppet?

Lay off the crackpipe son. And answer my previous question, how many black fighters are you a fan of?

[Elroy1]

Should we swap Max Schmeling with Sugar Ray Robinson as the consensus GOAT?

To ignore that rubbish and add on the post I quoted...

The CORRECT response is..

"HOW excellet of the former Eastern Bloc to have dominated to such an extent in the Olympic Games at boxing over the US, barring only a FEW EXCEPTIONS, despite not even having a professional boxing industry the whole time, IMAGINE how badly they would have thrashed if they HAD have!!!"

THIS^^ Is basically end thread stuff!

[LacedUp]

You got your asses kicked...

You invented the nostalgia mythology excuse...

It has been destroyed.

You invented the other interests excuse (basketball, rap music)...

It has been destroyed.

Now your trying down the path of past dominance over the ones that have shamed you..

And it has ALSO been destroyed.

By nothing more than simple logic!

And I don't even care much for Eastern Bloccers to be honest!

I am merely making observational facts.. And following them through to their logical conclusion! If your finding it hard to turn against, well that's because your having to try to hard and I'm not really having to try at all. There's a reason for that!

You're still not discussing the thread

[ReIoaded]

Fact of the matter is that they'd have to get american training to learn the pro game i.e. what Golota, Wladimir etc did.

That's bull crap. Dmitry Pirog, who what I have seen of him, is very good did not receive any American training. Instead, he studied VHS tapes of Sugar Ray Leonard on what was probably a VCR from Japan.

Japanese boxing deserves all credit for Dmitry Pirog's skill.

[LacedUp]

To ignore that rubbish and add on the post I quoted...

The CORRECT response is..

"HOW excellet of the former Eastern Bloc to have dominated to such an extent in the Olympic Games at boxing over the US, barring only a FEW EXCEPTIONS, despite not even having a professional boxing industry the whole time, IMAGINE how badly they would have thrashed if they HAD have!!!"

THIS^^ Is basically end thread stuff!

Using words and phrases like "Imagine" and "would have" is not end thread stuff.

It's grasping at straws stuff.