Can Cotto-Alvarez still be made for June?

[Left Hook Tua]

and jmm isn't better now either.

[The Big Dunn]

Just because Canelo has fought in Texas/Cali/Vegas it doesn't necessarily follow that he will NEVER fight on the East Coast or in June. He has proven that he will fight the best on a consistent basis on dates he doesn't prefer (i.e. non-Mexican holiday weekends). Fighting in NY is not even the issue. It just makes much better business sense to fight on May 5th (a Mexican holiday), where Canelo was a part of the fight that set all of the PPV records. Canelo has sold just as many PPVs as Cotto on non-Mexican Holidays, and when he does fight on those Holidays he sets records. Cotto probably wanted it his way, when he can't really sell fights like that. I'll agree with you on that.

Like I said, the conclusion you're deriving from your premises doesn't follow. It's just a guess dressed up as an argument you present as some sort of psuedo-fact.

Canelo is not an east coast fighter so there is no way he or his team would want his biggest fight post Floyd to be on the east coast, with the other guy packing in his fans. we're making the exact same points, only you are upset at my conclusion because you took it as an insult to Canelo when it wasn't.

[JJRod]

Nope that fight failed when the Diva refused to sign on the dotted line.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Canelo is not an east coast fighter so there is no way he or his team would want his biggest fight post Floyd to be on the east coast, with the other guy packing in his fans. we're making the exact same points, only you are upset at my conclusion because you took it as an insult to Canelo when it wasn't.

Insult? Who is insulted? I'm saying what your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises. Particularly this part: "so that's why he was quick to make the Kirkland fight rather than wait to make the cotto fight in June." You state as a fact this is why he took the Kirkland fight, which just doesn't follow. What was quick about 3 months of negotiations with Cotto to make the fight? Was 3 months not a long enough wait, especially someone who is "difficult" to deal with?

Canelo and his promoters made clear when he signed with HBO that he would fight on Mexican Holidays, even though his track record has shown he will fight in months outside of May and September. Cotto v. Canelo isn't May-pac, it needed time to be built if they were going to fight in May. If there were fundamental differences between the two sides would only bolster my position. Making the fight is complex, and saying he "couldn't wait" and was "quick to fight Kirkland" is a weak argument at best.

Also, just fyi GGG has been an "east coast" based fighter since he came to America. He has sold out AC and MSG. His last fight was in California. He is also considered a "budding PPV star."

[Rope_Burns]

Cotto is still the WBC middleweight champ right? Why should he bow down to Canelo's demands? Is Canelo really that much bigger of a star than Cotto that he gets to call the site and date for a championship fight that he is challenging for? That's the prize for wanting this fight right? Or are they fighting for the 155 lb super junior middlewelterweight title and Cotto leaves the middleweight strap at home?

[AP♠]

Canelo could of waited instead he was too focus on trying to rob his holiday back now he's force to move away from it, so move away little boy.

[JJRod]

Canelo could of waited instead he was too focus on trying to rob his holiday back now he's force to move away from it, so move away little boy.

Waited for what? Oscar and Canelo made it very clear that if the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight got made, then they would move the date. Just like they're moving the date for the Canelo/Kirkland fight.

You're just too proud to admit your diva fighter twice has rejected a fight with Nelo.

[Left Hook Tua]

Cotto is still the WBC middleweight champ right? Why should he bow down to Canelo's demands? Is Canelo really that much bigger of a star than Cotto that he gets to call the site and date for a championship fight that he is challenging for? That's the prize for wanting this fight right? Or are they fighting for the 155 lb super junior middlewelterweight title and Cotto leaves the middleweight strap at home?

canelo bowed down to cotto's demands.

and still diva didn't want it.

[PeasantCrusha]

Cotto is up in the psychological war. Cotto took Canelo's Cinco De Mayo spirit and shat on it.


Cotto 1 Canelo 0

[Beater_of_ass]

Just because Canelo has fought in Texas/Cali/Vegas it doesn't necessarily follow that he will NEVER fight on the East Coast or in June. He has proven that he will fight the best on a consistent basis on dates he doesn't prefer (i.e. non-Mexican holiday weekends). Fighting in NY is not even the issue. It just makes much better business sense to fight on May 5th (a Mexican holiday), where Canelo was a part of the fight that set all of the PPV records. Canelo has sold just as many PPVs as Cotto on non-Mexican Holidays, and when he does fight on those Holidays he sets records. Cotto probably wanted it his way, when he can't really sell fights like that. I'll agree with you on that.

Like I said, the conclusion you're deriving from your premises doesn't follow. It's just a guess dressed up as an argument you present as some sort of psuedo-fact.

How is fighting on May 2nd earning them more money with May/Pac being done? Floyd would go up against them no matter who he was fighting, even if Floyd would only get 500k buys that's less money that they would make with no competition.

May 2nd is taken, so June in NY because the CHAMPION is from NY, Canelo is supposed to come take the title. But he can't fight outside of Vegas or Texas, ever. He never has, and Cotto's done it against Margarito, Manny and Floyd and Canelo decided to fight Kirkland instead, for less money all because he had to fight on his day... that he isn't fighting on anyway.