Comments Thread For: Haymon's Continued Rise Will Challenge HBO's Rule

[Eastcoast]

The thing here is a rising tide lifts all ships. If Haymon's successful and generates new main stream interest in the sport, that interest can carry over into HBO/TR/GB products as well, so long as there's quality in what they have.

[Mitchell Kane]

According to Tua and others, that's a bad thing that will fail.

If it ends up somewhere like TNT or TBS, they'll most likely be small cards with small budgets...which is probably the same that can be said of a lot of these PBC cards destined for NBC Sports, CBS Sports, Spike TV and BET.

But it puts Top Rank on basic cable once a month, something they probably want with Friday Night Fights ending and all these PBC cards getting announced.

I guess that new Las Vegas Cosmopolitan card in May be one of these basic cable cards.

[Foreign Soil]

Great news. More boxing programming.



In Haymon threads, of course they are. The bottom line is Haymon doesn't get in if Arum pays Floyd the $20 mil for ODH and $8 mil for cotto that he wanted.

There is a reason so many fighters are singing with him, whether they are names or not.

You seem scared to death this may succeed.



No dude, its based solely on the discussion had in the media, which is why my initial response to craftsman indicated he wasn't totally wrong.

If you can't acknowledge the 8 million difference in homes is connected to the difference in raw number of viewers and ratings, that's fine.

You bring haymon up in nonrelated Haymon threads as well. You're on autopilot at this point.

Where have I defended the likes of Arum? I haven't even once mentioned him. He's a ****, and even he works with more people than Haymon does.

You're terrified of anyone not swallowing what Haymon has to offer. As I posted earlier, he blocks many of the best fights, and I don't expect anything different in the future.

It makes a difference, but the number isn't linear and there's a reason there's a difference in the first place.

[IMDAZED]

If it ends up somewhere like TNT or TBS, they'll most likely be small cards with small budgets.

But it puts Top Rank on basic cable once a month, something they might want now that Friday Night Fights is ending.

I guess that new Las Vegas Cosmopolitan card in May be one of these basic cable cards.

Yeah I anticipate small budgets as well. Same for most PBC cards. Either way, I'm all for more cards. And I'm definitely hoping they both succeed. Seems people on here are damn near sour at the news of PBC securing more dates. Post after post nitpicking what could possibly go wrong.

[oneon11]

Haymon will pay his fighters where HBO/Top Rank prefer the fighter pays them & do all the work. I hope every fighter joins up with Al Haymon & put these greed bastards out of business...

[The Big Dunn]

You bring haymon up in nonrelated Haymon threads as well. You're on autopilot at this point.

Where have I defended the likes of Arum? I haven't even once mentioned him. He's a ****, and even he works with more people than Haymon does.

You're terrified of anyone not swallowing what Haymon has to offer. As I posted earlier, he blocks many of the best fights, and I don't expect anything different in the future.

It makes a difference, but the number isn't linear and there's a reason there's a difference in the first place.

Trying to frame me as a poster to weaken my argument doesn't work dude.

I never said you did defend him, I just pointed out how Haymon got in and as I said in the post before, where you should direct your anger.

he has prevented some fights as have some promoters. last year he did because he was being sued by GBP. If you plan on judging this year-he's made stivernne/wilder and has several good fights on tap.

You judging him solely on last year would be like judging arum solely on Making fights like Manny v algieiri and not making juanma/gamboa or canelo/cotto.

Yes, I am worried about boxing fans not watching boxing because if they don't, it means less on TV. You hope it fails-I hope it succeeds and leads to HBO innovating and adding programming. It feels like your real problem isn't boxing related.

I never said it was lineal, all I said was the number of homes each channel is in affects the number of viewers and the ratings. HBO gets a higher raw number while showtime gets a comparable rating. I'm not suggesting showtime is taking over.

[The Big Dunn]

The thing here is a rising tide lifts all ships. If Haymon's successful and generates new main stream interest in the sport, that interest can carry over into HBO/TR/GB products as well, so long as there's quality in what they have.

good post dude.

[Pony Boy]

Who cares. There's more than enough boxing everywhere. So much that its going g to be overwhelming trying to watch it all.

The only hope for the true boxing sport will be when all world recognized organizations fight for one title or world supreme championship. This will kill Hamon so called boxing.

[Foreign Soil]

Trying to frame me as a poster to weaken my argument doesn't work dude.

I never said you did defend him, I just pointed out how Haymon got in and as I said in the post before, where you should direct your anger.

he has prevented some fights as have some promoters. last year he did because he was being sued by GBP. If you plan on judging this year-he's made stivernne/wilder and has several good fights on tap.

You judging him solely on last year would be like judging arum solely on Making fights like Manny v algieiri and not making juanma/gamboa or canelo/cotto.

Yes, I am worried about boxing fans not watching boxing because if they don't, it means less on TV. You hope it fails-I hope it succeeds and leads to HBO innovating and adding programming. It feels like your real problem isn't boxing related.

I never said it was lineal, all I said was the number of homes each channel is in affects the number of viewers and the ratings. HBO gets a higher raw number while showtime gets a comparable rating. I'm not suggesting showtime is taking over.

Yeah it does. You are a leading cheerleader who jumps to conclusions. I haven't said anything about a few of the things you're pulling out of thin air. This seems to be a common tactic with groupies.

[Left Hook Tua]

But ratings do. Ratings is based on a percentage of homes that have access to the programming. You can have a 12.4 rating on NBC and a 12.4 rating on HBO and the raw number of viewers is drastically different.

it's the same.

rating is percentage of households with tv.

don't think they discern who has cable or hbo or showtime, etc.