Comments Thread For: Haymon's Continued Rise Will Challenge HBO's Rule

[mrlopez]

HBO's talent pool is limited but they do have a solid core with Canelo, Kovalev, GGG, and Top Rank that will keep them very competitive.

You forgot Golden Boy. They are definitely going to be working with HBO too

[The Big Dunn]

GGG Adama wasn't on HBO.

You are the biggest Haymon backer on this site, yet try to accuse me of playing politics here. Laughable, my man.

The fact that we are even talking about Haymon is the problem. He's not even a promoter, he shouldn't have the control he has over who gets to fight who, but he does, and that's what's killing boxing.

Niether was many v algieiri-I was discussing fight quality not HBO vs haymon.

Why, because of the avi I had. I'm not a Haymon backer, but I do call posters like you out when its clear what your real problem is.

How is he killing boxing? He just had wilder v stivernne. Has a list of decent fights planned and has expanded the amount of boxing on free TV after expanding boxing on cable.

what messed boxing up was promoters who stole so much from fighters that it allowed a Haymon to get a foothole in with fighters. Had the Arum's and King's not done what they did to the Ali's, Tyson's, Floyd's, and Manny's-fighters wouldn't be turning to Haymon in masse and giving him this control.

Point your anger where it belongs.

[The Big Dunn]

Except it really doesn't work that way. There isn't a linear path to generating bigger numbers. People subscribe because they want to watch your programming.

But ratings do. Ratings is based on a percentage of homes that have access to the programming. You can have a 12.4 rating on NBC and a 12.4 rating on HBO and the raw number of viewers is drastically different.

[Mitchell Kane]

Haymon didn't force HBO to put those fights on, they did on their own. Think HBO puts on every show or fight they are pitched?

HBO has the resources to invest in boxing. They used to do a good job. They do a good job with HBO Latino. They don't use HBO2 like I think. Al doing this should make them.

Whats funny is posters like you could care less if we get better fights or more boxing with this move, you just don't want Haymon to be successful in boxing. With guys like you its easy to tell what your real reasons are, but you try and pretend its bad matchups.

You watch Manny v Algieir, you watch wlad against any bum, you watch Kov v Caparello, GGG v adama and say nothing about quality of the fight. then when a haymon managed fighte is on, well he has to fight the top guy everytime or else it sucks.

Your transparent. If HBO uses its resources properly and gets back to where they were, we as fans win.

Just remember-HBO benefited from being in 8 million more homes than SHowtime, so the ratings were almost always higher.

Steve Kim: "It's being speculated around the industry that Top Rank is on the verge of securing a monthly television deal with a basic cable outlet"

http://ucnlive.com/empire-strikes-back-2/#.VOTC02Nmo8c.twitter

[Foreign Soil]

Niether was many v algieiri-I was discussing fight quality not HBO vs haymon.

Why, because of the avi I had. I'm not a Haymon backer, but I do call posters like you out when its clear what your real problem is.

How is he killing boxing? He just had wilder v stivernne. Has a list of decent fights planned and has expanded the amount of boxing on free TV after expanding boxing on cable.

what messed boxing up was promoters who stole so much from fighters that it allowed a Haymon to get a foothole in with fighters. Had the Arum's and King's not done what they did to the Ali's, Tyson's, Floyd's, and Manny's-fighters wouldn't be turning to Haymon in masse and giving him this control.

Point your anger where it belongs.

Almost all of your posts are Haymon related. You aren't fooling anyone.

[Foreign Soil]

But ratings do. Ratings is based on a percentage of homes that have access to the programming. You can have a 12.4 rating on NBC and a 12.4 rating on HBO and the raw number of viewers is drastically different.

Your conclusion was merely based on speculation, not raw numbers.

[The Big Dunn]

Steve Kim: "It's being speculated around the industry that Top Rank is on the verge of securing a monthly television deal with a basic cable outlet"

http://ucnlive.com/empire-strikes-ba...2Nmo8c.twitter

Great news. More boxing programming.

Almost all of your posts are Haymon related. You aren't fooling anyone.

In Haymon threads, of course they are. The bottom line is Haymon doesn't get in if Arum pays Floyd the $20 mil for ODH and $8 mil for cotto that he wanted.

There is a reason so many fighters are singing with him, whether they are names or not.

You seem scared to death this may succeed.

Your conclusion was merely based on speculation, not raw numbers.

No dude, its based solely on the discussion had in the media, which is why my initial response to craftsman indicated he wasn't totally wrong.

If you can't acknowledge the 8 million difference in homes is connected to the difference in raw number of viewers and ratings, that's fine.

[latinbrawler316]

I doubt PBC will have much of an impact. Boxing will never become what it was in the past, it's 2015 people have moved on from boxing. As a boxing fan I'll watch it, like I do HBO Showtime and sometimes ESPN but the average person won't care. He has a ton of fighters that the average person wouldn't even know or care to know, he does have some big names but it will be typical Haymon with his crappy matches most of the time. If Garcia wins and so does Broner will we see Broner vs Garcia or Broner vs Thurman, probably not. It will more likely be Berto Lopez winner vs Broner and Thurman vs Collazo. Those are the bigger names he has, the rest of the nobodies he has will have to fight in the 15+ fights he wants in 2015.

[IMDAZED]

Steve Kim: "It's being speculated around the industry that Top Rank is on the verge of securing a monthly television deal with a basic cable outlet"

http://ucnlive.com/empire-strikes-ba...2Nmo8c.twitter

According to Tua and others, that's a bad thing that will fail.

[davidandrei]

the way people act is like haymon is the hype job of boxing politics. some love him and some hate and some on the fence. he has been steamrolling competition but he isn't exactly ATG, definitely world class champ though.
as for myself im still on the fence but my take is that all people involved with the politics of boxing are really smart people making money off the backs of fighters. if arum is a devil you know, then haymon is a devil you don't know.