Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Gives Take on The Al Haymon Takeover

[GRUSTLER]

The problem is though with 200 fighters you cannot give each the exposure they deserve the math doesn't work. Just using his fighters against each other is 100 fights a year. Not happening. Do you want to fight the most once a year if that with him or 2-3 times a year making more$ for someone else golden, top, shaw.

That's why Haymon is locking down all the networks.

[GRUSTLER]

These guys yes. But he has almost 200 fighters. Even the most diehard of boxing fans here cant even name half of them.

Haymon should be focusing on quality more so than quantity.

I think Haymon plan is to build his fighters into superstars. I think he has the brain and resources to do it.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I think Haymon plan is to build his fighters into superstars. I think he has the brain and resources to do it.

Name one fighter he has made into a superstar? You can't. You guys give the dude way too much credit for doing absolutely nothing of note in the boxing world. Its always, "hes going to do this", or "hes going to do that". Never anything that he actually did though.

[Fetta]

I think Haymon plan is to build his fighters into superstars. I think he has the brain and resources to do it.

Name one fighter he has made into a superstar? You can't. You guys give the dude way too much credit for doing absolutely nothing of note in the boxing world. Its always, "hes going to do this", or "hes going to do that". Never anything that he actually did though.

"Is to to build"...future tense. Not that hard to understand

And FIRST show is March 7th so relax.

[Boxing lives]

Meh, Haymon is taking over and the balance of power and pay will work itself out. At some point so many relevant fighters will be with Haymon that relevant fighters not with Haymon will be irrelevant.

this is false. any hbo featured fighter is going to be relevant. hbo is still the premier network for fights. haymons 5 primetime dates a year aren't enough to make hbo irrelevant. not at all.

[Mitchell Kane]

Not all 200 Haymon fighters are ready for TV tbh; if you even gave the signings a cursory look, a lot of his prospects have had less than 10 pro fights. most of the prospects could easily fight on the non-televised portion of the TV bills, running them out as often as their management is willing to put them into the ring.

Between the 20 shows on NBCUniversal, the 9 shows on Sp1keTV, 20-30 dates with ESPN, 12-20 shows on the Showtime channels, and whatever other shows that Haymon is able to lock up on CBS Sports, BET, or any other channel where he can get dates, there's plenty of opportunities for guys to get fights.

They will have opportunities to be on tv, but will they have ratings?

Friday Night Fights is a far more established brand, not to mention more widely available than some these channels the PBC is going to be on, yet FNF wasn't even doing the numbers that Boxeo Telemundo was doing last year, and at one point they were only a little bit above Solo Boxeo.

The Golden Boy fight cards on FS1 don't really come close to any of them in terms of ratings...but they're also increasing their television presence with this LA Fight Club series (which DLH says he wants to eventually expand to twice a month).

There's already a lot of options for boxing fans outside of premium cable like HBO/SHO, and it certainly seems possible that some of these shows could fall through the ratings cracks.

[Mitchell Kane]

correct he does not have PPV stars but in my opinion he is making PPV stars. Just like the music industry pushes a no talented pretty face on the world, tricking the public into believing they are a star because of all of the exposure they are getting. Haymon will do the same with a talented fighter.
like I said to another poster in this tread, lets see what happens this year and then pass judgment. In my opinion what Haymon is doing is going to work.

They can hide some of the shortcomings of a "no talented pretty face" in the studio, and when they take them on tour they can surround them with a big stage production, have em lip-sync and give em an army of back-up dancers and most of the audience won't care.

You can't really do that with boxers.

Plus, Disney has that kid star thing down to a science...they find a face, put them on television, build an audience, make a movie, get them Radio Disney...by the time they're unleashed onto the full public they're seasoned pros with a built-in fan base of screaming teens ready to beg their parents to buy them the latest album or buy tickets to their show.

It's a little bit harder to develop ppv stars in boxing, which is Haymon has so few of them...despite the fact that he's pushed so many of his fighters onto the boxing public, with the help of HBO, SHO, Schaefer, et al.

[Nightfall]

Haymon is'nt and can't take over boxing. he's just putting big names on free tv. HBO sports are being butthurt cry babies

[MC Hammer]

Dibella didn't get opportunities?

Perhaps you weren't around after the 2000 Olympics, when he left the tv side at HBO and started promoting...and threw a whole bunch of money at that Olympic class while also getting plenty of tv dates with which to showcase them...beginning with the Night of Olympians with Jermain Taylor and others at Madison Square Garden.

Dibella had his opportunities.

That he didn't do more with them is on him, and certainly not HBO, who gave him a lot more opportunities when he was starting out than most promoters get.

You mentioned Goossen, but what exactly is Goossen Promotions at this point? Especially now that Dan Goossen isn't even around anymore.

There are no top American promoters involved in this PBC venture.

You joke about "15 HBO dates" and yet you apparently get all excited about 11 NBC dates (only 5 of which are at night)...which THEY paid for. And they're reportedly going to be paying for the promoting and marketing of these events as well.

You might want to wait until you see what all the money actually get them...not in terms of headlines in January or February...but in actual revenue in the months and years to come.

But its more than just the NBC dates. Its Spike,BET,NBC Sports Maybe CBS as well and thats only for Haymon. GB/TR and the rest have to compete for the HBO dates

[Dr.Pepper]

Name one fighter he has made into a superstar? You can't. You guys give the dude way too much credit for doing absolutely nothing of note in the boxing world. Its always, "hes going to do this", or "hes going to do that". Never anything that he actually did though.

Arum must be fu.cking these midgets..