Should points be taken away for running?

[CANELOLUJAH]

No. There are no rules against running. If there were guys like Algieri, Lara and Whitaker would need to alter their style as they ran quite a bit in certain fights. To much running will cost fighters rounds on the judge's score cards and popularity with the paying fans. I think no rules against running is fine because it would be very vague rules. The referee has the power to warn or disqualify a fighter who is running to excess.

Exactly, I do not like runners but their is no real way to regulate it as it will all boil down to it being subjective to ones opinion on the matter. Its fine as is, but dont expect me to not talk shit about a runner lol.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Good answer - on the one hand there is a group of people who think coming forward should be rewarding, and the other who think using movement . Competent judges are there to find the between and figure out, minute by minute, who is controlling the fight within the fight. Personally, I give more weight to effective aggression in the sense that it's also is part of "pace" that ring generalship includes - on my card, the onus is alittle higher for the fighter who is using movement as a primary weapon. By extension, I view it as the hardest style to master so those who can do this well and tread that line (and also go to war) are the ones who often becomes greats.

The referee should not be penalizing "running" - perhaps he was hurt by a punch ppl didnt really notice, or he is waiting for his 2nd wind to kick in, there could be reasons that even a normally aggressive fighter would be running

if someone is turning their back then yes...other ways of evading like flopping...lifting their leg for defense like the dude on FNF last night, excessive clinching to avoid the fight....but movement, even excessive, I think is a grayer area for me, and I see it as an area for the judges to decide.

I'm fine with the referee telling them to engage though

I have seen plenty of rounds where the guy was running but he got the round anyway. Not using movement, but flat out avoiding the opponent without punching back. If he gets deducted a point, at least it makes for an even round.

The referee can tell them to engage all he wants, but if there is no true penalty, they will just do it anyway.

[Build That Wall]

I got the same problem in football when they down the ball to run the clock out. or take long plays or or do some shlt to run the clock out. They should play till the end.

fighters who run suck. NOBODY wants to PAY to see fighter run. Period!

It's called doing what is necessary to win the game. In the 4th quarter and the team wants to drain clock, they run the ball. Why take a ****** risk.

[hhs661]

Nope. If you can't make the fight at the pace you want it then that's on you, not the guy "running"

[kiDynamite92]

Depends what you call running, joe frazier, a guy know to never take a backward step was caught running in the fight against foreman . There was also this part in the sanders vs Vitali fight where Vitali turned his back and ran. Both of them were classics lol

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Depends what you call running, joe frazier, a guy know to never take a backward step was caught running in the fight against foreman . There was also this part in the sanders vs Vitali fight where Vitali turned his back and ran. Both of them were classics lol

They should have been penalized.

[CANELOLUJAH]

Depends what you call running, joe frazier, a guy know to never take a backward step was caught running in the fight against foreman . There was also this part in the sanders vs Vitali fight where Vitali turned his back and ran. Both of them were classics lol

dont forget sergrio mora against mosley, he literally turned his back and ran to the outside of the ring lmfao.

[LA_2_Vegas]

I have seen plenty of rounds where the guy was running but he got the round anyway. Not using movement, but flat out avoiding the opponent without punching back. If he gets deducted a point, at least it makes for an even round.

The referee can tell them to engage all he wants, but if there is no true penalty, they will just do it anyway.

The penalty should be losing the round - I think that's what pacmanis meant he brought up competence. I agree, flat out running should not win a round, we should demand better judging. The bar is somewhat higher for fighters who use movement, and it should be high, because boxing isnt easy and to win a fight like that you've got to be damn good.

Just some scenarios you can chime in on - what if the running only happen for 30 seconds of a round because the dude is arm weary from beating the snot out of the opponent for the other 230?

If a fighter is rocked and is "flat out avoiding the opponent without punching back" should he be penalized in that moment?

And also I edited my post and mentioned how ultimately the customers will decide who they want to see in the ring. The market for runners isn't that big, so they do get penalized already to some extent...

[kiDynamite92]

dont forget sergrio mora against mosley, he literally turned his back and ran to the outside of the ring lmfao.

Must have missed that one. May get onto it tonight, I need a good laugh lol.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

The penalty should be losing the round - I think that's what pacmanis meant he brought up competence. I agree, flat out running should not win a round, we should demand better judging. The bar is somewhat higher for fighters who use movement, and it should be high, because boxing isnt easy and to win a fight like that you've got to be damn good.

Just some scenarios you can chime in on - what if the running only happen for 30 seconds of a round because the dude is arm weary from beating the snot out of the opponent for the other 230?

If a fighter is rocked and is "flat out avoiding the opponent without punching back" should he be penalized in that moment?

And also I edited my post and mentioned how ultimately the customers will decide who they want to see in the ring. The market for runners isn't that big, so they do get penalized already to some extent...

Excellent questions!

Arm weary or not, he should have conserved his energy. Yes, he should be penalized and by that, I mean running, not using lateral movement. I define it by moving around the ring without throwing any punches. We have all seen it.

In that moment, he probably is not running, but instead backing up or holding. Guys don't run that much when they are hurt. They do it to avoid the other fighter so they won't get hurt.

They do to a point, but if they were penalized, it would set a precedent that either makes them stop doing it or find a new career. After all, isn't this a man's sport?

I also want to clarify that a boxer can be plenty defensive without running or even a lot of lateral movement. Roberto Duran and Julio Cesar Chavez, Sr. both could stand in front of an opponent and make them miss. They will never be called runners and always respected as being more manly than their boxing counterparts- Leonard and Whitaker.