So Nicholas walters to Al Haymon means no lomanchenko fights? Thoughts?

[HeroBando]

What bridge has Haymon burned with Showtime?

Though he'll likely make one title defense in primetime on NBC, Showtime is now home to America's newest heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder. Showtime is still the exclusive home of Floyd Mayweather Jr, the sports unquestioned top draw and best fighter. Stevenson's mandatory defense, as mandated by the WBC, is the winner of the WBA/IBF/WBO fight between Kovalev and Pascal (50/50 split of the purse bid has been written into the deal, and Showtime has proven that they are willing to put up the money for fights that they want).

On top of that, Haymon has most of the sports young prospects under his umbrella and he's paying for the extra TV dates out of his own pocket.

If NBCUniversal, or anyone else for that matter, offered up a content deal, a la FS1 and the UFC, the conversation changes (ie NBCUniversal pays Haymon Boxing $100m per year for 12 primetime fights on NBC, and a weekly boxing series on NBC/NBCSN).

Even with that, Haymon would still need an avenue to showcase his fighters that likely break into being PPV stars and PPV-quality fights. It's likely that that outfit would be Showtime.

Haymon has 60%-70% of the sports' top name fighters under his umbrella/in his orbit, with that percentage being even higher when considering the sport's top budding prospects.

lol at "promoters licking their chops"; HBO, outside of being willing to work with select fighters, is basically exclusive to Top Rank. Where are all of these matchups that can be made for non-HBO (Showtime or otherwise) without working with Haymon?

Same question from another poster, see my response. Sho boxing has been run into the ground in record time, after so much hype not long ago, and major financial commitments. Sho used to be about great fights on the cheap, now its like the opposite. Looks like no Floyd Pac on May 2. Lets see where Sho is after that trainwreck.

Hbo is not top rank only, its whoever brings the talent. Unlike in Greenburg/Haymon era, when Duva, K2 didnt have a prayer of promoting on hbo

[PRchamp]

So you're more concerned with how much money a fighter makes, than actually seeing great matchups.

That is why you watch boxing.

Weird.

Tell me about it. Promoter and network fans are more into the business side of things instead of the actual sport of Boxing.

I have a feeling this year Haymon is going to give us nothing but "Quantity over Quality" fights in 2015. Everybody will make the excuse that "hey more boxing on TV is good for me" approach but I rather watch the best fight the best and I just don't see it happening.

I don't see anything so special in Walters, Santa Cruz, Quillin, Broner, Stevenson, Garcia and Thurman for Haymon to protect them from losing.
None of these fighters listed are never going to sell more than 100k PPV buys.

[Pac=Duran]

Lomachenko might go down as the greatest ever. A Haymon dividing boxing in two is a ****ing disgrace. The eastern Euro honkey army are taking over.

[Scipio2009]

So you're more concerned with how much money a fighter makes, than actually seeing great matchups.

That is why you watch boxing.

Weird.

Personally, I'm tired of reading all of the stories about former world champions, and the sport's biggest stars, ending up battered and destitute, because some promoter or manager was more than happy to have a fighter "fight for their legacy" while they, themselves, were simply focused on keeping as much of the take as possible in their own pockets.

Bob Arum, God have mercy on his soul, has an estimated net worth of over $200m. Outside of Oscar and Floyd, who had to leave Arum to really start to make their own money, Pacquiao is the only fighter to make a massive amount of money (with that being put into question, pending the resolution of his tax situation). How that makes sense to you is beyond me.

Seeing great fights is always the goal of any fan.

I simply enjoy boxing more, as a rationed and reasoned adult, knowing that the two guys, beating each others brains in, are walking away with 70%-80% of the proceeds from their toils.

Ward and Gatti both have/had families to take care; regardless of how thrilling their fights were, it grind on my spirit if both guys basically made no money from the actual fight, while some old curmudgeon sat 10 rows back, pocketing all of the actual money.

[Scipio2009]

Same question from another poster, see my response. Sho boxing has been run into the ground in record time, after so much hype not long ago, and major financial commitments. Sho used to be about great fights on the cheap, now its like the opposite. Looks like no Floyd Pac on May 2. Lets see where Sho is after that trainwreck.

Hbo is not top rank only, its whoever brings the talent. Unlike in Greenburg/Haymon era, when Duva, K2 didnt have a prayer of promoting on hbo

the critique simply doesn't make sense.

How can Showtime be run into the ground when, at the worse, they are now home to Deontay Wilder, the young charismatic, American heavyweight champion? [There are maybe 5 heavyweights currently (Wlad/Povetkin/Fury/Jennings/Joshua) who give Wilder tough fights]

Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia, among others, are the next stars of the sport and they fight on Showtime. Heck, Erroll Spence Jr, imo America's brightest prospect, is likely to have a ton of fights on Showtime. lol.

If May-Pac doesn't happen, Showtime moves on to Mayweather-Cotto 2 (Cotto, now re-invigorated under Freddie Roach, "gave Mayweather a rugged fight" the first time and will be hyped as being able to do significantly better. To that, you add the prestige of Mayweather chasing a sixth divisional world championship, while matching Henry Armstrong's feat of being champion in three divisions at the same time) or Mayweather-Khan (old lion vs young lion, Khan's style would be hyped up as utter kryptonite for Mayweather, massive interest in the UK, etc).

You add that the general sports media will have seen Bob Arum tell his host of false truths, while HBO would be tarred as being unwilling to accept terms similar to what they pushed for in the only other prior instance of a joint PPV, and Showtime would be just fine.

Having Brook-Khan, Froch-Chavez Jr, Stevenson-Pascal (with a likely excessive bid for Stevenson-Kovalev) and other fights wouldn't hurt either.

[Dr.Pepper]

Same question from another poster, see my response. Sho boxing has been run into the ground in record time, after so much hype not long ago, and major financial commitments. Sho used to be about great fights on the cheap, now its like the opposite. Looks like no Floyd Pac on May 2. Lets see where Sho is after that trainwreck.

Hbo is not top rank only, its whoever brings the talent. Unlike in Greenburg/Haymon era, when Duva, K2 didnt have a prayer of promoting on hbo

Those guys don't have the fighters Haymon does....YOUNG fighters.

Duva and HBO fighters are old.

Non-Haymon fighters today will surely be Al Haymon fighters tomorrow.

Leo Santa Cruz made more fighting a NOBODY than Kovalev made fighting HOPKINS.

Robert Guerrero makes more than GGG.

[Dr.Pepper]

the critique simply doesn't make sense.

How can Showtime be run into the ground when, at the worse, they are now home to Deontay Wilder, the young charismatic, American heavyweight champion? [There are maybe 5 heavyweights currently (Wlad/Povetkin/Fury/Jennings/Joshua) who give Wilder tough fights]

Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia, among others, are the next stars of the sport and they fight on Showtime. Heck, Erroll Spence Jr, imo America's brightest prospect, is likely to have a ton of fights on Showtime. lol.

If May-Pac doesn't happen, Showtime moves on to Mayweather-Cotto 2 (Cotto, now re-invigorated under Freddie Roach, "gave Mayweather a rugged fight" the first time and will be hyped as being able to do significantly better. To that, you add the prestige of Mayweather chasing a sixth divisional world championship, while matching Henry Armstrong's feat of being champion in three divisions at the same time) or Mayweather-Khan (old lion vs young lion, Khan's style would be hyped up as utter kryptonite for Mayweather, massive interest in the UK, etc).

You add that the general sports media will have seen Bob Arum tell his host of false truths, while HBO would be tarred as being unwilling to accept terms similar to what they pushed for in the only other prior instance of a joint PPV, and Showtime would be just fine.

Having Brook-Khan, Froch-Chavez Jr, Stevenson-Pascal (with a likely excessive bid for Stevenson-Kovalev) and other fights wouldn't hurt either.

Nailed it....

[HeroBando]

the critique simply doesn't make sense.

How can Showtime be run into the ground when, at the worse, they are now home to Deontay Wilder, the young charismatic, American heavyweight champion? [There are maybe 5 heavyweights currently (Wlad/Povetkin/Fury/Jennings/Joshua) who give Wilder tough fights]

Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia, among others, are the next stars of the sport and they fight on Showtime. Heck, Erroll Spence Jr, imo America's brightest prospect, is likely to have a ton of fights on Showtime. lol.

If May-Pac doesn't happen, Showtime moves on to Mayweather-Cotto 2 (Cotto, now re-invigorated under Freddie Roach, "gave Mayweather a rugged fight" the first time and will be hyped as being able to do significantly better. To that, you add the prestige of Mayweather chasing a sixth divisional world championship, while matching Henry Armstrong's feat of being champion in three divisions at the same time) or Mayweather-Khan (old lion vs young lion, Khan's style would be hyped up as utter kryptonite for Mayweather, massive interest in the UK, etc).

You add that the general sports media will have seen Bob Arum tell his host of false truths, while HBO would be tarred as being unwilling to accept terms similar to what they pushed for in the only other prior instance of a joint PPV, and Showtime would be just fine.

Having Brook-Khan, Froch-Chavez Jr, Stevenson-Pascal (with a likely excessive bid for Stevenson-Kovalev) and other fights wouldn't hurt either.

A lot of what ifs there. For all that talent, they had a disastrous last year, empty schedule, a a massive financial hit coming on may 2. And Haymon slaps them in the face by taking all those fights he promised them to another network, and having Espinoza tried to put a positive spin on that lol. Moonves would have to be a glutton for punishment to roll with all that

[HeroBando]

Those guys don't have the fighters Haymon does....YOUNG fighters.

Duva and HBO fighters are old.

Non-Haymon fighters today will surely be Al Haymon fighters tomorrow.

Leo Santa Cruz made more fighting a NOBODY than Kovalev made fighting HOPKINS.

Robert Guerrero makes more than GGG.

That's why HBO is on the right track, they get a lot of **** for their buck with GGG, Kov in particular. Not having to grossly overpay scrubs like Guerrero, or Leo for another mismatch.

HBO has plenty of young talent, Crawford (way better than Broner), Verdejo, Valdez, Frankie Gomez, Loma etc

[Dr.Pepper]

That's why HBO is on the right track, they get a lot of **** for their buck with GGG, Kov in particular. Not having to grossly overpay scrubs like Guerrero, or Leo for another mismatch.

HBO has plenty of young talent, Crawford (way better than Broner), Verdejo, Valdez, Frankie Gomez, Loma etc

Crawford ,Verdejo, Valdez, Frankie Gomez, Loma etc
That list is nothing compared to Haymon's youth roster.Al has those guys buried several times over.

GGG and Kovalev are not spring chickens...and not nearly as good as advertised.

HBO is in a bad spot.