So Nicholas walters to Al Haymon means no lomanchenko fights? Thoughts?

[HeroBando]

Crawford ,Verdejo, Valdez, Frankie Gomez, Loma etc
That list is nothing compared to Haymon's youth roster.Al has those guys buried several times over.

GGG and Kovalev are not spring chickens...and not nearly as good as advertised.

HBO is in a bad spot.

If you say so, cowardly alt

[Chiboxing123]

as long as walters fights mares and that little punk a$$ b!!!h Santa cruz I'm fine with it. reasltically the mares fight could happen. since leo is on the quillin/stevenson plan.

[kurupt1019]

What bridge has Haymon burned with Showtime?

Though he'll likely make one title defense in primetime on NBC, Showtime is now home to America's newest heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder. Showtime is still the exclusive home of Floyd Mayweather Jr, the sports unquestioned top draw and best fighter. Stevenson's mandatory defense, as mandated by the WBC, is the winner of the WBA/IBF/WBO fight between Kovalev and Pascal (50/50 split of the purse bid has been written into the deal, and Showtime has proven that they are willing to put up the money for fights that they want).

On top of that, Haymon has most of the sports young prospects under his umbrella and he's paying for the extra TV dates out of his own pocket.

If NBCUniversal, or anyone else for that matter, offered up a content deal, a la FS1 and the UFC, the conversation changes (ie NBCUniversal pays Haymon Boxing $100m per year for 12 primetime fights on NBC, and a weekly boxing series on NBC/NBCSN).

Even with that, Haymon would still need an avenue to showcase his fighters that likely break into being PPV stars and PPV-quality fights. It's likely that that outfit would be Showtime.

Haymon has 60%-70% of the sports' top name fighters under his umbrella/in his orbit, with that percentage being even higher when considering the sport's top budding prospects.

lol at "promoters licking their chops"; HBO, outside of being willing to work with select fighters, is basically exclusive to Top Rank. Where are all of these matchups that can be made for non-HBO (Showtime or otherwise) without working with Haymon?

exactly, and to add to this, showtime now will be exclusive to premier level fights that are not quite ppv, all the other time buy networks will be used to build up the boxers and matchups. Showtime happy, since where the real money is ultimately made in boxing is ppv. Longterm strategy is to develop ppv stars (deontay, errol etc...)

[Chiboxing123]

exactly, and to add to this, showtime now will be exclusive to premier level fights that are not quite ppv, all the other time buy networks will be used to build up the boxers and matchups. Showtime happy, since where the real money is ultimately made in boxing is ppv. Longterm strategy is to develop ppv stars (deontay, errol etc...)

Huh? No nbc are where hes putting his big fights. Nbc is "the big deal" for al. Thurman,broner,garcia,chavez jr,wilder he's gonna build these guys on network tv. He wants to go away from that pay per view format. I've herd time and time again from industry insiders that he wants to get back to the old days. So what does he need showtime for. He basically held them at gunpoint last year and robbed them for there cash

[kurupt1019]

Huh? No nbc are where hes putting his big fights. Nbc is "the big deal" for al. Thurman,broner,garcia,chavez jr,wilder he's gonna build these guys on network tv. He wants to go away from that pay per view format. I've herd time and time again from industry insiders that he wants to get back to the old days. So what does he need showtime for. He basically held them at gunpoint last year and robbed them for there cash

obviously the network NBC night will be relatively big fights. Go back to old days? bull****, hes in this for the long term, invest and takeover boxing, where does the payoff for him and his investors come in? think logically, payoff is PPV and/or subscription based model (i.e WWE).

HBO and Showtime to a further extent recognize this as well. How do they make money? subscriptions and PPV distribution. Does boxing really move the needle for HBO/Showtime to increase their subscription base? No it does not. Evidence of this is simple ratings. HBO roughly 30M subscrip base, rating at best do 1.5, thats 3%. Hence why HBO reduced their budget and hired Hershman (who was known as doing more with less at Showtime). Showtime probably going to follow suit and lower their budget, focus on big fights only and PPV.

[Scipio2009]

A lot of what ifs there. For all that talent, they had a disastrous last year, empty schedule, a a massive financial hit coming on may 2. And Haymon slaps them in the face by taking all those fights he promised them to another network, and having Espinoza tried to put a positive spin on that lol. Moonves would have to be a glutton for punishment to roll with all that

Last year was "disastrous" because Oscar De La Hoya, fresh from finally coming out of whatever bender, jumped back into the fold with his delusional insistence on working with Bob Arum, a promoter that the key players (Mayweather/Schaefer/Haymon) have a deep mistrust of and, more importantly, the default fight promoter for HBO, Showtime's chief rival. (Arguing about the "massive financial hit" without acknowledging that Mayweather-Alvarez was a record-setting success is disingenous).

Oscar made the decision that he did, and no one went with him, sans Eric Gomez (his best friend) and Saul Alvarez (his top star and a fighter with an apparent 85/15 co-venture between his company (Canelo Promotions) and Golden Boy. Bernard Hopkins even went as far as demanding a extended sit down with Oscar, before deciding to stick with the company.

Lastly, would hold off on the "Moonves must be a masochist" rhetoric, because it's only February.

Wilder-Fury, Froch-Chavez Jr, Khan-Brook, Stevenson-Pascal/Stevenson-Kovalev, Mares-Gonzalez 2, Santa Cruz-Frampton, the ring return of Marcos Maidana, campaigns of Thurman, Garcia, and Broner, and the step-up phase for Haymon's massive slate of prospect (Spence Jr, Charlos, JRock, etc), in addition to other fights. And that's before even thinking of the final two Mayweather events.

Haymon works with over 160 fighters directly, at various points in their careers whom, outside of a handful of fighters, are looking to fight at least 3-4 times this year; do you honestly think that Haymon won't be a part of 60-70 shows this year? lol

[Scipio2009]

Huh? No nbc are where hes putting his big fights. Nbc is "the big deal" for al. Thurman,broner,garcia,chavez jr,wilder he's gonna build these guys on network tv. He wants to go away from that pay per view format. I've herd time and time again from industry insiders that he wants to get back to the old days. So what does he need showtime for. He basically held them at gunpoint last year and robbed them for there cash

The PPV model, as it currently stands, is fleeting; Mayweather, Alvarez, Pacquiao, and Cotto (possibly Wilder/Klitscko and Khan) are the only fighters who require a PPV structure to generate their respective viable purses.

Pretty much every other fighter on the planet (Povetkin in Russia, Huck is Germany, Mundine in Australia, and a few others), as of this moment, has a ceiling of $1.5m.

With a budget of $2m-$3m, you can deliver a stacked four-fight televised card. Haymon believes he can successfully do that on network TV (he's only committed himself to five prime dates) and build up his guys.

Still, if he's successful, the elite guys will still be moved to PPV.

Wilder-Fury is likely viable, financially, on NBC or Showtime, but the money isn't there off of PPV to cover Klitschko-Wilder for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world. If Danny Garcia beats Peterson in style and emerges as the new fighting star for Puerto Ricans, on the island and abroad, "Swift" Garcia will be moved to PPV. If Chavez Jr lives up to his father's name in his performance, he moves to PPV.

Beyond that, if given the proper push, PPV will return to being the home for only massive showdowns.

Showtime becomes Haymon' PPV outlet, while also showcasing their own share of the marquee matchups.

[Scipio2009]

Huh? No nbc are where hes putting his big fights. Nbc is "the big deal" for al. Thurman,broner,garcia,chavez jr,wilder he's gonna build these guys on network tv. He wants to go away from that pay per view format. I've herd time and time again from industry insiders that he wants to get back to the old days. So what does he need showtime for. He basically held them at gunpoint last year and robbed them for there cash

If NBC pays Haymon $100m per year (for 12 primetime dates on NBC, and a weekly boxing series on NBC/NBCSN), the calculus would change a ton.

That's not the case now, though