Vitali Klitschko Ibhof?

[Elroy1]

His best wins are Arreola, a guy who lost every time he stepped up, Chisora, human punching bag Charr, Solis, and blown-up LHW Adamek.

His leftovers keep getting beaten by Wlad's leftovers. Haye beat Chisora, Thompson beat Solis, and Povetkin beat Charr.

So you can correctly assume that Wladimir's resume is more impressive than Vitali's, and I would agree.

You listed some of Vitali's better opponents, and all of them are good.

What do you mean Arreola lost whenever he stepped up? That's just a saying.

He is a multiple time title challenger, you can't get any better unless you become the HW champion of the world! And he has only ever lost to upper eschelon boxers.

Your post was not worth one drop of piss in the desert!

[yoz]

Most felt that he quit, but as PainfromUkraine points out, it was a serious injury and he picked it up already early in the fight too. Vitali isn't a quitter, we know that from the Lennox fight, and the Chisora fight for example, where he fought with one arm during most of the bout.

He did quit; don't distort the facts to fit your agenda.

[yoz]

The case for Vitali Klitschko being the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of all time is very strong.

He was never dropped in over 50 pro fights with one of the heftiest and highest quality opposition of any HW champ.

And he punched the living crap out of every single opponent he ever faced, even in the couple of fights he technically lost in!

Vitali Klitshko never clearly lost a fight,
Never lost more than 2 rounds of boxing in ANY fight,
Was never even knocked off his feet in any match,
Was a champion so dominant the word "invincible" would have been rather appropriate for a time.

So considering him for entry into the IBHOF is ridiculous.

If any Klitschko does not immediately become an admitted ATG and HOFer, both en****** become immediately defunct and serve no future meaning.

"ATG" and "HOF" are meaningless terms when it comes to a fighter assessment anyhow. It's more a term of respect bestowed upon a fighter for achieving against the criteria of his day (For which Vitali is basially unrivalled!)

Obviously this definition is in conflict with "ALL TIME great" because the fighters never met boxers throughout all time.

Here we go again.

Give it a break, Elroy

[Dr Rumack]

Hell yes. Anyone who thinks the Klitschkos aren't going in the hall of fame is delusional.

[Elroy1]

Here we go again.

Give it a break, Elroy

Fair enough Yoz.

But how the **** does anybody reach the conclusion that either of the Klitschko's don't make the hall of bloody fame!?

I get sick of seeing THOSE same threads and posts, did you ever think of that!

[LacedUp]

You're misrepresenting the facts. He never tested positive in his pro boxing career

That's not misrepresentation. Once a cheater, always a cheater right? That's what Ricky Lake said anyway.

How many times was he tested in his pro career?

That and the fact that this was the first bit to be mentioned shows the agenda of the TS. Also Vitali ducking Rahman.

What agenda? Did he not test positive for steroids? If Fury is called out for ducking Ustinov, I think a very strong case can be made for Vitali ducking Rahman.

[LacedUp]

The irony is hilarious at OP who always accuses others of agendas when speaking about heavyweight history yet blatantly has one here.

- Positive PED test was during amateurs, has 0 impact on pros, about the same as results in ams have relevance to pros

- No one claims Vitali had a good resume in terms of names, it's common consensus he was a fighter more known for statistical dominance/accomplishments

- Yeah...ducked the mighty Rahman...was so scared he had to take 4 years off to make sure he could get away with it...in the prime of his career when he was the best heavyweight in the world

- Many lesser fighters have got into the HOF, so Vitali is a shoo-in by current standards

Vitali is very unfortunate that he was so unlucky to be injury prone leading to not only losing 4 years of his best prime years and be forced out while winning his biggest fights, but also leaving better opponents to Wlad. This means it's pretty much impossible to put him top 10 based on resume, but h2h he's definitely up there.

And goes into the HOF for sure.

I'm pretty sure the irony is lost on you

[LacedUp]

I count eleven fighters that were ranked in Ring's top ten when Vitali fought them and he lost to two of them. I believe his best win was beating Peter after four years off. I also believe that his biggest obstacle, and it should be beyond obvious, was him fighting at the same time as his baby bro. I also found something that I thought was interesting. I looked up both Vitali and Wlad's net worth and Wlad is worth $30 million while Vitali is worth $65 million. I thought that Wlad would have been worth more. And whether you happen to agree with it or not I believe he gets into the Hall of Fame.

Would you mind listing them? I did a thorough research on it a couple of years ago and only counted 5 wins. 2 losses.

But if I'm wrong I'm wrong. But please, let's see them.

[Ravens Fan]

Would you mind listing them? I did a thorough research on it a couple of years ago and only counted 5 wins. 2 losses.

But if I'm wrong I'm wrong. But please, let's see them.

The list, Adamek, Solis, Kevin Johnson, Arreola, Gomez, Peter, Sanders, Lewis, Byrd, Kirk Johnson and I believe Larry Donald was also ranked in the top ten by Ring.

[LacedUp]

The list, Adamek, Solis, Kevin Johnson, Arreola, Gomez, Peter, Sanders, Lewis, Byrd, Kirk Johnson and I believe Larry Donald was also ranked in the top ten by Ring.

Larry Donald wasn't in the top 10 - I just checked.

Neither was Solis or Johnson. Gomez had a 3 month stint in the top 10 - probably lost it because of his loss to Vitali.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...yweight--2000s

That's 8. 6 wins, two losses. Hardly great whichever way you put it.