Vitali Klitschko Ibhof?

[PainfromUkraine]

vitali ducking rahman just makes no sense. vitali has never shown fear going into any fight. hell,, he fought the dangerous (at the time) sam peter without a tune up after a huge layoff. a guy like rahman would have been a perfect style for vitali. right in front of him without much speed or upper body movement. vitali ate guys like that up

A Rahman that was Lewis leftovers and had lost to ancient Holyfield and crap Ruiz at that point in time...oh yeah, definitely put the fear of God into Vitali, who as I said prior was in his prime and the best heavyweight out there. The funniest thing is, I bet most posters on here who hate on Vit would say "oh, he beat Lewis' leftovers, Rahman was shot and past his best, crap win".

And that fight would have been a career-high purse at the time for Vitali, at about 8 million dollars apparently.

And it would be more realistically a duck if we didn't know how injury prone Vitali was...it was clear at that point. If people truly believe Vitali would duck someone like Rahman and rather retire for 4 YEARS, then there isn't much hope for those blinded by hate.

And LacedUp, why the sudden change of heart to say Vitali ducked him? I found some thread about this topic from 2013 and this is what you had to say:

In all fairness, Vitali would have wiped the floor with Rahman just like Lewis did in the second fight. I do actually believe he was injured, and in my opinion really had nothing to be scared off.

Rahman is a pretty limited fighter with a punch. You need more than that to beat Vitali, unless Vitali showed up in the sort of shape (of mind and body) Lewis showed up in.

All in all, Vitali KO7.

[LacedUp]

You are trying real hard to make Vitali's record look bad. To me it is what it is and you can debate it all you want but your lame research has holes in it.

You see I never pay attention to the alphabet boys and I have paid very close attention to Ring rankings for many years. Therefore if I was a betting man I would bet everything I own because I am 100% positively sure that both Kevin Johnson and Solis were ranked in the top 10 by Ring Magazine when they fought Vitali. The only one I wasn't sure about was Larry Donald but I still say there is a good chance that he was.

I am also sure that you are aware that, or at least I hope you are, the ranking change and they are not the same for a whole year. In other words if they listed every fighter that was ranked in the top ten for a complete calender year I am positive that in most cases there would be more then ten fighters. That is because they are ranked monthly and not once a year. In other words it can change from month to month.

With all that said. If you cannot produce the monthly listing for the better part of the last twenty years, which I don't believe exist, you haven't proved anything. And you may believe I haven't proved anything but this time around it is not based on my opinion and you are just flat out wrong.

It's lame research because it's true?

Jesus. He has 6 top 10 wins. How can that in anyway be considered HOF material?

Ok, so I am supposed to believe you over Ring's own data because you're "100% positive" ?

herp de durrp

We don't factor in fighters who were artificially put in the top 10 after the fight was announced. If he wasn't in the december 2008 issue and he didn't fight until March 2009, there's no way he's a top 10 fighter. Simple.

He is grasping at straws with this thread.

TS is a sad hate filled person.

vitali is an ATG heavyweight and future HOF'er no matter what "facts" you bring up. i bet you'll cry and stomp your feet when he's inducted in front of a cheering crowd hahahahahahahahahaha.

grow up TS.

Vitali is certainly not a ATG heavyweight. And his resume is highly criticized. But I suppose Sven Ottke should also be in the HOF? He has 20+ straight defences and an equal resume to Vitali, only he didn't lose.

I think he did yes, but wasn't that in another sport before he became a professional boxer?

No it cannot.

No it was before the 1996 Olympics.

Wladimir and Vitali are better than any heavyweight in the last decade. People are so blind and have not paid attention to the HW division so have no idea. The Klitschko's could compete with any era. They've beaten everyone, not their fault the division is crap. Wilder is easy work.

I watch most heavyweight fights and have done for the past 15+ years. I know they can fight, especially Vitali.

However, how does that in any way excuse the fact that he was fighting second tier heavyweights for his entire career?

Vitali never ducked Rahman he was injured and could not fight.

David Haye was also injured vs Fury, you saw the injury but still didn't believe it.

Double standards.

vitali ducking rahman just makes no sense. vitali has never shown fear going into any fight. hell,, he fought the dangerous (at the time) sam peter without a tune up after a huge layoff. a guy like rahman would have been a perfect style for vitali. right in front of him without much speed or upper body movement. vitali ate guys like that up

Well they were scheduled to fight a lot of times, but Vitali pulled out.

[Ravens Fan]

It's lame research because it's true?

Jesus. He has 6 top 10 wins. How can that in anyway be considered HOF material?

Ok, so I am supposed to believe you over Ring's own data because you're "100% positive" ?

herp de durrp

We don't factor in fighters who were artificially put in the top 10 after the fight was announced. If he wasn't in the december 2008 issue and he didn't fight until March 2009, there's no way he's a top 10 fighter. Simple.

Just so you know you are not getting your information out of Rings archives and it is obviously far from complete. I will say it once again you showed a list per each calender year that only includes ten fighters plus the champion. I have to ask do you believe that they were the only ten fighters to be ranked in the the top 10 for the entire calender year? You honestly can't be that dense are you?

Even when you look at all the divisions on the annual rankings on Boxrec they only show one month out of the entire calender year. So again it is obviously not complete. So it is not wrong it just isn't complete. And since you basing your research off of incomplete information that makes it pretty lame as well as untrue.

You also said that if I showed you the list it wouldn't be that that big of a deal and yet here you are having an aneurysm over it. I also told you didn't have to believe me but what the hell you want some proof here it is;

Exhibit A
Klitschko entered as The Ring Magazine # 1 heavyweight contender and Solis was the #10 contender.
(From bio of the fight between them on Boxrec)
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1569182
Exhibit B
Johnson on the other hand, is relatively unknown, but is currently ranked Ring Magazine***8217;s No. 10 challenger in the heavyweight division.
(From an article on a site for making bets BETUS)
http://www.betus.com.pa/sports-betti...kevin-johnson/

As far as that whole December/March thing is concerned take it up with Ring. And now that you are proven wrong you now want to debate whether they belonged in the top ten. Honestly who cares? I don't I just simply corrected your mistakes and the idea that you believe Ring magazine was ranking fighters to benefit Vitali is just rather bizarre. Almost as bizarre as you actually believing that Vitali ducked Rahman.

And either Jesus was a fighter or you have once again confused me with some Hispanic dude, just for record I am not. I also never discussed in any detail if I believe Vatali had a Hall of Fame career. I simply stated that I believe he will be in the Hall of Fame and regardless of my opinion I still believe that.

You also once told me that I let my personal feelings dictate how I happen to feel about that big goofball Fury. And you made it sound as if that it was somehow wrong. Well, I do agree that my personal feelings play apart in how I feel about Fury. But I figure that at least I am honest about it.

Because I honestly believe that you are nothing but a fake and a phoney that tries to play the part of some objective observer when you are so far from being one. I figure that out when I read those ridiculous questions you happened to ask in that ridiculous biased poll.

You have no proof what so ever that Vitali used PEDs or for that matter anything else as a professional athlete. And if you do my apologies but since I know you don't you should be honest with yourself that you a biased phoney and not the objective observer that you want us to believe you are. I honestly don't no why it would matter I always believed its easier just to be honest.

So next time before you start making statements that are untrue you should really do some better research. I also find it rather amusing how that forum member showed how your opinion of Vitali has changed. What happened did some Ukrainian piss in your corn flakes or just kick your a$$?

[Rustle Wilson]

He'll get in off the gimmick of being boxing's 1st tag team Heavyweight champion of the world.

But based solely off the merit of his resume? No. He doesn't deserve to be in.

But he surely isn't alone in that regard...

[Accountoffline]

Why would Vitali duck Rahman of all people only to go and fight and almost beat Lewis?

Anyway yeah he does deserve it, the man was clearly at his peak around the Lewis fight and maybe a couple of fights after. Since then he was showing his age with his even more slow robotic responses in the ring.

You cant have a go at someone for not fighting people who had left the sport before it was their time to shine.

[LacedUp]

Just so you know you are not getting your information out of Rings archives and it is obviously far from complete. I will say it once again you showed a list per each calender year that only includes ten fighters plus the champion. I have to ask do you believe that they were the only ten fighters to be ranked in the the top 10 for the entire calender year? You honestly can't be that dense are you?

Even when you look at all the divisions on the annual rankings on Boxrec they only show one month out of the entire calender year. So again it is obviously not complete. So it is not wrong it just isn't complete. And since you basing your research off of incomplete information that makes it pretty lame as well as untrue.

You also said that if I showed you the list it wouldn't be that that big of a deal and yet here you are having an aneurysm over it. I also told you didn't have to believe me but what the hell you want some proof here it is;

Exhibit A
Klitschko entered as The Ring Magazine # 1 heavyweight contender and Solis was the #10 contender.
(From bio of the fight between them on Boxrec)
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1569182
Exhibit B
Johnson on the other hand, is relatively unknown, but is currently ranked Ring Magazine***8217;s No. 10 challenger in the heavyweight division.
(From an article on a site for making bets BETUS)
http://www.betus.com.pa/sports-betti...kevin-johnson/

As far as that whole December/March thing is concerned take it up with Ring. And now that you are proven wrong you now want to debate whether they belonged in the top ten. Honestly who cares? I don't I just simply corrected your mistakes and the idea that you believe Ring magazine was ranking fighters to benefit Vitali is just rather bizarre. Almost as bizarre as you actually believing that Vitali ducked Rahman.

And either Jesus was a fighter or you have once again confused me with some Hispanic dude, just for record I am not. I also never discussed in any detail if I believe Vatali had a Hall of Fame career. I simply stated that I believe he will be in the Hall of Fame and regardless of my opinion I still believe that.

You also once told me that I let my personal feelings dictate how I happen to feel about that big goofball Fury. And you made it sound as if that it was somehow wrong. Well, I do agree that my personal feelings play apart in how I feel about Fury. But I figure that at least I am honest about it.

Because I honestly believe that you are nothing but a fake and a phoney that tries to play the part of some objective observer when you are so far from being one. I figure that out when I read those ridiculous questions you happened to ask in that ridiculous biased poll.

You have no proof what so ever that Vitali used PEDs or for that matter anything else as a professional athlete. And if you do my apologies but since I know you don't you should be honest with yourself that you a biased phoney and not the objective observer that you want us to believe you are. I honestly don't no why it would matter I always believed its easier just to be honest.

So next time before you start making statements that are untrue you should really do some better research. I also find it rather amusing how that forum member showed how your opinion of Vitali has changed. What happened did some Ukrainian piss in your corn flakes or just kick your a$$?

Dude, you're a pathetic ****rider. If you're 45 as you say, I feel sorry for you. I'm not having an aneurysm over it, you're the one writing these long posts, basically just to prove my point exactly.

Don't you understand that if a guy is not on the top 10 in 2008, then he's not a top 10 fighter in his first fight in March 2009? I think it's you who's dense.

You want to believe that a guy who's never been in the top 10, who's never beaten a top fighter or even a top 15-20 fighter, say like Solis.

He wasn't a top 10 fighter in 2010, but if he was included in say, February 2011 based on him scheduling a fight with Vitali rather than beating a top guy, he's obviously been artificially put into the top 10 which does not make him a top 10 fighter.

Mysteriously, they were both #10 when they fought Vitali. You have to see where they were ranked after the issue magazine updated the rankings after their previous fights. And the answer is not top 10.

Anyway, I don't expect fanboys like you to understand. And with regards to this thread , the irony is obviously lost on you as well

Even though Vitali's resume is still horrible.

[Elroy1]

He is grasping at straws with this thread.

Your not wrong. LacedUp tried to sell me once he was "actually a Klitschko fan".

And yet he does almost as fanatical a job as JAB does to rubbish him with lies and BS as much as possible.

Who needs enemies when you have "fans" like that!

I'm glad to have that prick on ignore now, his opinion is not worth even a single drop of piss in the desert!

Old Pinocchio can't help himself but make one lie after another!

[Suckmedry]

Your not wrong. LacedUp tried to sell me once he was "actually a Klitschko fan".

And yet he does almost as fanatical a job as JAB does to rubbish him with lies and BS as much as possible.

Who needs enemies when you have "fans" like that!

I'm glad to have that prick on ignore now, his opinion is not worth even a single drop of piss in the desert!

Old Pinocchio can't help himself but make one lie after another!

irony
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noun

[Elroy1]

You contribute literally nothing to any thread.. you just insult people that point out Klit flaws and you just **** ride other posters boasting them up.. you are just a bystander in every thread

Weltsch brings more to the table here than you ever have Landa!

More like it's you who do literally nothing but dish out inexcusable abuse.

What with the slanderous visitor messages you send me and presumably others too,

And I've noticed your Dome post recently asking me to provide a photo of me and the missus for proof of being red-blooded.

If you can refute something with some kind of evidence, or even provide some kind of factual information of your own, then let's hear it, cause so far you've offered nothing but bashing an obviously great boxer.

It's possible to argue Vitali=GOAT he's so good, so how the HELL can you support the idea that he doesn't belong in ATG or HOF is beyond outrageous!

[Elroy1]

I can't help but think that there is some collaborative effort with the type of Klitschko threads today.

Yeah there's always been the anti-Euro hate thing but this **** SMACKS of some sort of US+Nostalgic "Task-Force" or something like that.

It's unbelievable. I almost cannot believe what I've been reading.

But sadly, I'm not surprised!