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  • Weltschmerz
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    #51
    Originally posted by Col. Hans Landa
    Chris Byrd,a middleweight schooled and clowned him round after round.. made him look like a ****** swatting flies.. but how can a middleweight beat a big giant ****ed modern day behemoth???

    according to all your H2H fantasy fight prediction size is everything.. how come this midget clowned your god.. I don't get it

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      #52
      Originally posted by Col. Hans Landa
      Meh I'm not delusional,Byrd was clearly losing due to workrate but he embarrassed Vit badly in that fight... a 6'6 250 pound machine that had to quit against a middleweight.. what a joke
      You do realise you are as bad as some of the Klitschko fanboys when you write this stuff. Torn rotator cuff is a career ending injury...more so than even a cut or anything else, because if your shoulder is gone that's it for boxing...one can only speculate if Vitali could or should have continued, perhaps he could have, but who knows. Where Byrd began his career is irrelevant - he was a HW at the time.

      In retrospect, Vitali could have ended his career that night and never become the champ - and for what? He showed he was clearly better than Byrd. However, the funny thing is also when people say he ducked Byrd later. Wladimir fought Byrd in the next fight that year, while Vitali was still injured, and after that it's clearly understandable it would make no sense for Byrd to come of a big loss to a Klitschko brother to go straight back in with Vitali. He himself knew his career at the top would have ended there or certainly slowed with 2 (arguably 3) losses in a row.

      Byrd went down a different route, IBF I believe, while Vitali went down the WBC and Wlad was obviously the WBO champion. Byrd did his thing and Vitali went for Lennox. After that was of course the continuation for Vitali getting the WBC belt, and he retired not long after, and when he came back Byrd was no longer relevant...so when you delve deeper and look at things objectively and understand the business, some fights just don't come together due to circumstances.

      The Klitschkos are also unfortunate that the greats continuing from the previous era were KO'd by lesser fighters or less household names, before Klitschkos could fight them. Take Tyson for example...Danny Williams KO'd him, not Vitali's fault, but I bet if Vitali had destroyed Mike like he did Williams, even if we all know he was shot, that would be seen as some big milestone in his resume.

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        #53
        Originally posted by Col. Hans Landa
        Meh I'm not delusional,Byrd was clearly losing due to workrate but he embarrassed Vit badly in that fight... a 6'6 250 pound machine that had to quit against a middleweight.. what a joke

        just like B-hop officially lost to Calzaghe (but i do think that was a robbery) to anyone but nutthuggers that was in the top 5 embarrassments of boxing.. he made Calzaghe "the master boxer=best super middle eva girl" look like he just got in the ring for the first time in his life
        yea,,,,the byrd fight wasn't one of his better moments. I felt the same way at the time but he made for it imo

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          #54
          Originally posted by PainfromUkraine
          Take Tyson for example...Danny Williams KO'd him, not Vitali's fault, but I bet if Vitali had destroyed Mike like he did Williams, even if we all know he was shot, that would be seen as some big milestone in his resume.
          It would, as Tyson is seen as a milestone on Lennox' resume for instance, or anybody's for that matter. Vitali doesn't have big names on his resume other than Lennox, but results count and he has em.

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            #55
            Originally posted by beez721
            yea,,,,the byrd fight wasn't one of his better moments. I felt the same way at the time but he made for it imo
            Most felt that he quit, but as PainfromUkraine points out, it was a serious injury and he picked it up already early in the fight too. Vitali isn't a quitter, we know that from the Lennox fight, and the Chisora fight for example, where he fought with one arm during most of the bout.

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              #56
              Originally posted by -Weltschmerz-
              It would, as Tyson is seen as a milestone on Lennox' resume for instance, or anybody's for that matter. Vitali doesn't have big names on his resume other than Lennox, but results count and he has em.
              sure he has results and so did brian nielsen. nielsen even beat holmes. hall of fame here he comes!

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                #57
                brian nielsen-larry holmes, tim witherspoon, and tony tubbs

                vitali klitschko-corrie sanders, sam peter, and tomas adamek


                who had the better resume?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by PainfromUkraine
                  You do realise you are as bad as some of the Klitschko fanboys when you write this stuff. Torn rotator cuff is a career ending injury...more so than even a cut or anything else, because if your shoulder is gone that's it for boxing...one can only speculate if Vitali could or should have continued, perhaps he could have, but who knows. Where Byrd began his career is irrelevant - he was a HW at the time.

                  In retrospect, Vitali could have ended his career that night and never become the champ - and for what? He showed he was clearly better than Byrd. However, the funny thing is also when people say he ducked Byrd later. Wladimir fought Byrd in the next fight that year, while Vitali was still injured, and after that it's clearly understandable it would make no sense for Byrd to come of a big loss to a Klitschko brother to go straight back in with Vitali. He himself knew his career at the top would have ended there or certainly slowed with 2 (arguably 3) losses in a row.

                  Byrd went down a different route, IBF I believe, while Vitali went down the WBC and Wlad was obviously the WBO champion. Byrd did his thing and Vitali went for Lennox. After that was of course the continuation for Vitali getting the WBC belt, and he retired not long after, and when he came back Byrd was no longer relevant...so when you delve deeper and look at things objectively and understand the business, some fights just don't come together due to circumstances.

                  The Klitschkos are also unfortunate that the greats continuing from the previous era were KO'd by lesser fighters or less household names, before Klitschkos could fight them. Take Tyson for example...Danny Williams KO'd him, not Vitali's fault, but I bet if Vitali had destroyed Mike like he did Williams, even if we all know he was shot, that would be seen as some big milestone in his resume.
                  Sorry but I couldn't see Vitali destroy that Tyson to be honest,Tyson was bombing Williams and got caught in a short exchange with one punch KO power... I can't see Vitali ruining Tyson with one punch... heck he might have outpointed Tyson or forced a corner stoppage late in the fight but nothing in Vitali's past makes me or anyone with half a brain think he would destroy the Tyson that Williams fought

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by daggum
                    sure he has results and so did brian nielsen. nielsen even beat holmes. hall of fame here he comes!
                    Originally posted by daggum
                    brian nielsen-larry holmes, tim witherspoon, and tony tubbs

                    vitali klitschko-corrie sanders, sam peter, and tomas adamek


                    who had the better resume?


                    Old Holmes was robbed in Denmark with Nielsen.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Col. Hans Landa
                      Sorry but I couldn't see Vitali destroy that Tyson to be honest,Tyson was bombing Williams and got caught in a short exchange with one punch KO power... I can't see Vitali ruining Tyson with one punch... heck he might have outpointed Tyson or forced a corner stoppage late in the fight but nothing in Vitali's past makes me or anyone with half a brain think he would destroy the Tyson that Williams fought
                      Hold that thought for a moment.

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