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[bigjavi973]

Gatekeeper fighters do not become lineal champ of division was karass that? Clottey a bum because he just sat there in shell defense whole time and let pac just throw at him was just there for the payday when he did throw he back manny off but that was few and far in between name the guys manny have beat morales? Coming off loss to zahir Raheem, Marco Antonio Barrera coming off lost to Juan Marquez stop it with that bs because u bias

Heres some interesting facts about baldomirs lineal title

Vernon forrest > ricardo mayorga > cory spinks > zab judah > carlos baldomir

Wow even mayorga was lineal champ

[Spoon23]

Alex ariza: "I know who Floyd is fighting on may 2nd and it isn't Manny Pacquiao"

Floyd: "Thanks for clearing that up Alex"

Haha never was Floyd's intention of fighting Pacquiao.

He calls Pac in showtime. And goes on and fight cotto.. Wow.. Ducksville here we come!

[SchoolTheseCats]

Blah blah blah blah blah

After cotto beat mosley, he became the 2nd best ww behind floyd. A month later, floyd beats hatton and then proceeds to retire and say,"ima retire from boxing, boxing is not going to retire me." Then he comes back in 2009 saying that hes still the best, mentioning a fight with pacquiao. So instead of fighting mosley, who just won his belt from margacheat, he fights JMM, a career lightweight, at ww and cheated him on the scales. Why fight JMM and not mosley at that time? According to floyd, mosley had 5 losses and JMM was the bigger "draw" cuz "he has a whole country behind him".


So now it comes out in his ex assistant's new book, that floyd actually came back from retirement cuz he was almost broke. Common sense tells you he ducked cotto and doest have intentions to fight pacquiao

He couldn't fight cotto because he was still under top rank so that defeats that purpose right there Marquez would of lost to floyd regardless his skills was to much why u think you never hear Marquez asking for that rematch like he was for pac I can care less about his personal life I'm talking bout the boxer and also when they was all under top rank Mosley was on record of saying floyd name was big enough to consider a fight yet with him but it's wrong for Floyd to choose Marquez after coming outta retirement?

[SchoolTheseCats]

Its called pricing yourself out. Question... Why did floyd fight sharmba mitchell?

Bro u can't price yourself out when ur promoter is on record of giving u less after fighting marg for rest of guys and won't even consider make de la Hoya fight because his share will be too small

[parrish duke]

here's history on this duck cotto and marg crap and Bradley was prime ww he was a junior ww fool that moved up first fight in that weight class was against pac you bring up hatton who was already defeated by floyd and wanted to move up in weight anyways to secure fight that's a fact go look up interviews of him saying it


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Critics hate doing research on Mayweather
Posted on May 18, 2013 | 141 Comments »
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floyd#3By Robert Elmore: There seems to be a lot of uneducated people on these blogs and websites about Floyd Mayweather Jr. Judging by the comments, most of the fans are new comers to boxing or they are just band wagoners looking to hate on Floyd because he is running boxing right now. There seems to be this myth that Floyd ducked certain fighters.

Let me say this. He can’t fight everybody, although his critics want him to fight everybody. I will provide you with facts and where you (the reader) can go and retrieve the info for yourselves. Before I get started I want to point out this fact. No matter how many sources I provide, the hate still won’t stop. The first myth is that he ducked Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto while all three were on Top Rank. Here’s where I got my facts from. Go to Google and type in “Mayweather turns down 8 million to fight Margarito”. It was written by Dan Rafael in 2006.



A match indeed was set to take place on pay per view on August 12th 2006. Bob Arum CEO of Top Rank said that Mayweather had no problem fighting Margarito for the 8 million. This is where the problem came in. Floyd wanted a guaranteed purse of 10 million to fight Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton. Wait! Miguel Cotto? The same Miguel Cotto that had just beaten Carlos Maussa and was also ringside for the Floyd-Arturo Gatti fight and undefeated? Yes that Cotto.

Let’s continue. Arum was only willing to guarantee Floyd 7 million for those fights. That would be going backwards wouldn’t it? He was going to fight for 8 million then 7 against Cotto in a fight that would probably would have produced a good pay per view buys and brought good cash domestically? In addition to Floyd’s 10 million dollar request, he wanted 20 million to fight Oscar De La Hoya. Arum was not interested in doing the fight and here’s the response he gave.

“That’s not in the cards,” Arum said. “He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It’s not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em. We’ll talk about things down the road.” Arum also said this about the De La Hoya fight. “I don’t want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it’s not worth it,” he said. Oscar’s last fight on Top Rank was in 2004 against Bernard Hopkins and there was nasty feud between Arum and Oscar brewing that started back in February of 2000 when Oscar was trying to get out of his contract with Top Rank. (Google search Oscar De La Hoya; you’ll find this info under the section titled “De La Hoya vs Mosley 1).

But why wasn’t Arum willing to give Floyd the cash he was asking to fight Cotto, Hatton or De La Hoya? De La Hoya and Hatton I could understand, but Margarito and Cotto? This is what led Floyd to buy out his contract for 750,000 and take control of his own career.

Floyd would take on Carlos Baldomir for the lineal welter weight title and 8 million and 1 dollar. This was Floyd’s career best purse. So Arum told Floyd that the money wasn’t there for the De La Hoya fight? Here are some facts and where you can find this info. Floyd’s base purse was 10 million.

The fight broke all pay per view records in buys, gate, and domestic revenue. Oscar took home 52 million big ones while Floyd nabbed 25 million (Wiki Oscar De La Hoya vs Floyd Mayweather). So not only did Floyd get his 20 mill he was asking for he got 5 million more. The ten million he asked for to fight Cotto, he got that in and a whole lot more. Mayweather’s base purse for the fight was a record breaking 32 million smackers. The fight was the second highest grossing non heavyweight fight in pay per view history with 1.5 million buys. Floyd banked more than 40 million for that fight. Now I’m going to show something and provide facts. That same 7 million Arum tried to give Floyd for his fight against Cotto, he gave to Manny Pacquiao in his 2009 fight with Cotto. Manny’s base purse was 7.4 million. He also made the same amount against De La Hoya. These were given by the Nevada State Athletic Commission who must publicly display fighter’s purses.

Here are some more facts that probably won’t be researched either. Floyd called out a slew of fighters on his way to the top. He called Prince Nassem Hamed after the Diego Corrales fight. “Larry Merchant told Floyd, “Prince Nassem aint gonna fight you. After seeing this it aint gonna happen”. Floyd also said he hope he can fight the winner of the Casamayor-Freitas fight. He said after his victory over Jesus Chavez that he was looking forward to moving to 135 and fight Paul Spadafora, Jose Luis Castillo, and hopefully moving to 140 and fighting Kostya Tszyu. He also called out Juan Lazcano and Stevie Johnston. After his fight with Henry Bruseles at 140, Floyd once again called out Kostya Tszyu, he also added Shane Mosley and Oscar De La Hoya to the list. Here is the info on Floyd calling out these fighters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIB8be86w4).

Now neither Lazcano, Cassamayor, Freutes, Tszyu, or Johnston responded to Floyd’s challenge. Now I have given much info to support my fact. However, as I have said before, most critics will not….will not…will not look this stuff up because the truth will hurt a lot of feelings;especially the facts about Floyd asking to fight Cotto. I’ve done my part. Do yours. Research. If anyone finds any hard facts about your claims, give them to me and I’ll research them.

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Once your done reading or doing alittle research instead of spouting same crap U hear everyone else say like its gospel get back to me




May 18, 2013 - Critics hate doing research on Mayweather

Thank you for this ! I tell people all the time do your research! There is no excuse because all of the information is out there! GOOD POST#

[GRUSTLER]

Sure he said it. It was his opinion.. Same as when BoB and Manny say they agree to everything Floyd wants and they want the fight.. Do you believe them? ***128521;.. Btw, I don't hate Floyd, I think he's a great fighter but he says "I fight for my fans" then runs from the fight every fight fan and casual fan wants. If he didn't open his mouth at all we'd all be better off..

Now you're changing up. I proved what you said was false. Stick to the debate. I don't believe Arum when it comes to this because no one else is on board. And Mayweather didn't run away from the fight in 2009 but rather Manny did but his fans disregard this only to blame Mayweather again. It's ridiculous knowing we could have seen the fight 5 years ago if Pacquiao wasn't afraid he would get weak from giving blood too close to the fight. That was a B!tc# @$$ excuse.

[SchoolTheseCats]

Heres some interesting facts about baldomirs lineal title

Vernon forrest > ricardo mayorga > cory spinks > zab judah > carlos baldomir

Wow even mayorga was lineal champ

When Vernon and Ricardo fought was for vacant wbc welter and super welter titles on line Cory beat mayorga then defended against Judah lost the rematch to Judah and Judah went on to lose titles to baldomir but thanx for attempting the history lesson bro

[Bronx2245]

Lmao ortiz? Whos best win was hypejob berto? Guerrero? Whos best win is also berto? Judah? Who cotto beat his ass 2 months later? Lmao try again

Haven't heard from you in a while! What's good fam? I repeat, who was the last southpaw champ that Pacquiao beat? My post is basically to ask: why does Manny get a pass?

At first I thought Pacquiao beating Algieri didn't fool anybody, but I think I was wrong. You'd think that the lousy PPV numbers would suggest that the public knew it wasn't much of a fight. And that winning a decision, when he really needed a knockout, and didn't get it over a novice wouldn't restore the public's sense that Pacquiao is now a killer again. But apparently it has?

I tried to explain before the bout how Pacquiao-Algieri was specifically made to create the illusion that Manny is back now and is as good as and smarter than ever. And you know what? Based on what's scoured in the sports section of many newspapers and on the Internet, they were more successful than I thought they'd be. Because it seems Manny went from being the prohibitive underdog when matched up with Mayweather after being knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez two years ago, to now being almost even money based on him taking Chris Algieri to boxing school last month.

Based on the consensus, Pacquiao gets some breaks that Mayweather would never get in the eyes of the boxing public. And since 2009 I've maintained and have been consistent that Mayweather-Pacquiao hasn't happened because of Mayweather's reluctance more so than Pacquiao's. Ever since the talk of them fighting each other became a hot topic, it's been mostly because of Floyd why it didn't happen. And I still stand by that.

But what's fair is fair… I wonder how well Mayweather would've been received if he signed to fight Algieri and beat him as handily as Pacquiao did?

For starters, Floyd would've been excoriated by both boxing fans and the media for fighting a no hope opponent like Chris Algieri. Leading up to the fight we would've read about how Algieri barely beat Ruslan Provodnikov and the fight is just another hoax by Mayweather to pocket $30 million and avoid fighting Pacquiao.

Let us suppose that it was Mayweather who peppered Algieri for 36 uninterrupted minutes on November 23rd instead of Pacquiao, which of course isn't much of reach. What would the post-fight chatter be? I can only speculate, but I'd be willing to bet that the loudest voices wouldn't be declaring that Floyd is back and is as sharp as ever. Nor would the talk be centered on how quick and accurate he is and how impossible it is to lay a glove on, and you know I'm right. I think it would be more on the lines of, "Mayweather fought Algieri because he knew he couldn't lose and how it says nothing as to how great he still is because he handled a beginner like Algieri." And then every name fighter campaigning between 140-147 who was more deserving and dangerous than Algieri would be named and suggested as that's who Floyd should've fought instead. And if that were the case, they'd be correct.

So why does Pacquiao get a pass?

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/19980-mayweather-wouldnt-get-props-for-beating-algieri-like-pacquiao-did

If Ortiz, Guererro, and Judah were all wack, then what was Rios, Bradley, and Algeri? If Floyd gets no props for beating Oscar at 154, why does Manny get props for beating Oscar at 147? If Floyd gets no props for beating Canelo at 152, why does Manny get props for beating Margarito at 150? If Floyd gets no props for beating Shane after getting a KO over Margarito, then why does Pac get props for beating Mosely after he got a draw against Mora?

[Bronx2245]

Blah blah blah blah blah

After cotto beat mosley, he became the 2nd best ww behind floyd. A month later, floyd beats hatton and then proceeds to retire and say,"ima retire from boxing, boxing is not going to retire me." Then he comes back in 2009 saying that hes still the best, mentioning a fight with pacquiao. So instead of fighting mosley, who just won his belt from margacheat, he fights JMM, a career lightweight, at ww and cheated him on the scales. Why fight JMM and not mosley at that time? According to floyd, mosley had 5 losses and JMM was the bigger "draw" cuz "he has a whole country behind him".


So now it comes out in his ex assistant's new book, that floyd actually came back from retirement cuz he was almost broke. Common sense tells you he ducked cotto and doest have intentions to fight pacquiao

When Pac lost to Bradley, why didn't he get an immediate rematch? When Rios lost to Alvarado, why did he get a fight with Manny instead of Alvarado? When Chaves was DQ'd vs. Rios, why did he get to fight Bradley instead of Rios?

[theocdog]

I do wonder what Mayweather would say as to why the fight didnt happen.