Welterweight champion status "vacant"?

[techliam]

man you have no clue at all to what you are talking about do you?? he did not retire after Mosley at all and what do you mean Baldo"somehow was lineal"?? he beat the man who beat the man fair and square..he was lineal when he beat baldo..then retired..then Shne became lineal after he beat Margo after margo beat Cotto...so there is no argument he is the legit lineal champion

Shane didn't become lineal after he beat Margarito though did he

I think a lot of people claim Floyd and Mosley were no.1 and no.2 thus establishing a half-recognised lineage. TBRB ranked Pacquiao at no.1 and Floyd at no.3 at the time, based on the stoppage win over Cotto. Thats where the issue lies

[SilverMiles]

man you have no clue at all to what you are talking about do you?? he did not retire after Mosley at all and what do you mean Baldo"somehow was lineal"?? he beat the man who beat the man fair and square..he was lineal when he beat baldo..then retired..then Shne became lineal after he beat Margo after margo beat Cotto...so there is no argument he is the legit lineal champion

Maybe I don't but I do know that Baldomir was a tune up for Zab Judah before the Mayweather fight and if a fighter is considered a tune up the world championship shouldn't be up for grabs.

Back in the 70's and 80's boxers had tune ups all the time but the championships wouldn't be on the line because the challenger didn't earn the right to fight for it. This made sure that guys like Baldomir couldn't just get lucky and beat an unmotivated Zab Judah and call themselves world champion.

[techliam]

The RING also didn't recognise the Mayweather-Mosley fight as start of a new lineage:

Title Vacant
Manny Pacquiao
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Miguel Cotto
Joshua Clottey
Antonio Margarito
Andre Berto
Luis Collazo
Rafal Jackiewicz
Jan Zaveck

Nor should they have recognised Hernandez as the lineal Cruiserweight champion (but they somehow did):

Title Vacant
Marco Huck
Yoan Pablo Hernandez
Steve Cunningham
Krzysztof W***322;odarczyk
Denis Lebedev
Antonio Tarver
Giacobbe Fragomeni
Ola Afolabi
Guillermo Jones
Lateef Kayode

So its not just TBRB. I think the RING is awful now but at least agree with this logic. Making Floyd the RING champion by beating Guerrero is nothing short of a joke though.


EDIT: for some reason posting the links does not work. Google 'ring magazines annual ratings 2009 and 2011' to see

[SilverMiles]

Shane didn't become lineal after he beat Margarito though did he

I think a lot of people claim Floyd and Mosley were no.1 and no.2 thus establishing a half-recognised lineage. TBRB ranked Pacquiao at no.1 and Floyd at no.3 at the time, based on the stoppage win over Cotto. Thats where the issue lies

I agree with this. A lot of fans are getting all happy at the thought that Mayweather can be some three division lineal champion like Armstrong. The thing is Mayweather isn't even lineal champion at Welterweight, his Jr. Middleweight lineage is disputed since it wasn't even won at the weight limit. And if he was to beat Cotto for the middleweight belt it would most likely not be at the middleweight limit, against a opponent who isn't even the legit middleweight champion.

I like Floyd but I respect boxing more and I refuse to just grant a person with accomplishments due to popularity.

[Larry the boss]

i'll take cotto, clottey, and bradley over baldomir, judah, and maidana. crazy i know!

What is Clotteys best win at ww?? Judah?? funny that is Baldos best win and wait..Baldo has a win over Clottey

Cotto-good win

Bradley-what is his best win?? what ww has he faced?? i guess we will say he beat Manny right?? ok so is that why he is such a great ww?

Bald-lineal ww champ

Judah-former lineal champ

Maidana-WBA champ


how many ww champions has manny defeated or even faced?

[Larry the boss]

Maybe I don't but I do know that Baldomir was a tune up for Zab Judah before the Mayweather fight and if a fighter is considered a tune up the world championship shouldn't be up for grabs.

Back in the 70's and 80's boxers had tune ups all the time but the championships wouldn't be on the line because the challenger didn't earn the right to fight for it. This made sure that guys like Baldomir couldn't just get lucky and beat an unmotivated Zab Judah and call themselves world champion.

What in the holy hell what?? you should just log off now

[Larry the boss]

Shane didn't become lineal after he beat Margarito though did he

I think a lot of people claim Floyd and Mosley were no.1 and no.2 thus establishing a half-recognised lineage. TBRB ranked Pacquiao at no.1 and Floyd at no.3 at the time, based on the stoppage win over Cotto. Thats where the issue lies

cyberboxing had Shane as lineal champ..peep the lineage

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyberboxingzone.com%2Fboxing%2Fpastchp.htm&ei=0wqvVJ-fB4HugwS3qIP4Bg&usg=AFQjCNFebMrG6Y_0TIrBc9kzVLyL_c2vOg

[jas]

PAC has the ONLY win between himself and FMJ over a PRIME ELITE welter
As my boy twosweethooks would say

[Larry the boss]

I agree with this. A lot of fans are getting all happy at the thought that Mayweather can be some three division lineal champion like Armstrong. The thing is Mayweather isn't even lineal champion at Welterweight, his Jr. Middleweight lineage is disputed since it wasn't even won at the weight limit. And if he was to beat Cotto for the middleweight belt it would most likely not be at the middleweight limit, against a opponent who isn't even the legit middleweight champion.

I like Floyd but I respect boxing more and I refuse to just grant a person with accomplishments due to popularity.

See they have him lineal at 154 but not 147 but they are the only site that does not have him lineal at 147..so you can not biasly choose and what do you mean he did not win it at the limit?? jr mw is 147.1-154....if that is the case then Manny wins over Cotto and Margo dont count and neither does Cottos win over Martinez cause all were at catchweights

[Larry the boss]

PAC has the ONLY win between himself and FMJ over a PRIME ELITE welter
As my boy twosweethooks would say

Judah was a prime elite ww...he was a former lineal champion and in his prime...cotto was never lineal at ww