Sugar Ray Robinson's jump in weight, amazing.

[SterlingStained]

Question, how hard was LaMotta to hit?

Was he easier or more difficult to hit than Holman Williams or Charley Burley?

Other than cash what were Robinson's issues with the Black Murders row.

Which one guy did Ray Robinson hate the most to fight exhibitions against? (hint it wasn't a brawler).

If you can answer those questions you will find what Ray Robinson thought about fighting guys who were difficult to hit~

so you actually believe floyd would beat ray robinson at welterweight because he didnt want to fight burley and because lamotta was easy to hit?



you think floyd and burley are similar fighters?

[The Gambler1981]

so you actually believe floyd would beat ray robinson at welterweight because he didnt want to fight burley and because lamotta was easy to hit?



you think floyd and burley are similar fighters?

I didn't say anything about victory, but if you think Robinson would just wreck on Floyd Robinson himself likely would have thought differently.

Actually I think Floyd and Ray Robinson are very similar, have for a long time. They are pretty much the same guy if you ask me~ and both a great fighters. Just one has been white washed by history

[Humean]

Question, how hard was LaMotta to hit?

LaMotta had a good defence, certainly hard to hit clean.

Was he easier or more difficult to hit than Holman Williams or Charley Burley?

Lack of video makes it hard to compare, LaMotta certainly more aggressive. Williams and Burley could be tepid.

Other than cash what were Robinson's issues with the Black Murders row.

Timing, weight, popularity, location, interest.

Which one guy did Ray Robinson hate the most to fight exhibitions against? (hint it wasn't a brawler).

If you can answer those questions you will find what Ray Robinson thought about fighting guys who were difficult to hit~

I didn't say anything about victory, but if you think Robinson would just wreck on Floyd Robinson himself likely would have thought differently.

Actually I think Floyd and Ray Robinson are very similar, have for a long time. They are pretty much the same guy if you ask me~ and both a great fighters. Just one has been white washed by history

Mayweather might well have got the better of Robinson however I don't think they are that similar. Robinson danced and backpedded a lot more than Mayweather but was also more aggressive because when he moved forward he tended to punch to hurt and knock out his opponent and flurry with hard punches whereas Mayweather has a tendency to pot shot. Robinson displayed more power and was more agressive but Mayweather is defensively a lot better than Robinson and has a more cautious approach.

[Wuckoo]

if floyd is so good why does he have to fight only twice a year? If he is so good why doesn't he defend his 154 belts rather than hold them hostage? Why did he have to rematch maidana, who he already beat? I agree floyd was once a complete fighter. When he was able to let his hands go that is. But Robinson was also known as a complete fighter. What bothers me is that you say you rate how Louis highly on skills and based on seeing him demonstrate these skills then go on the trash Robinson when most rated him higher than Louis p4p. Floyd is not marketed in his skills, he is marketed on trash talking and getting people to hate. The majority of people I know who like floyd aren't even boxing fans. They just like his wealth. I can assure you he isn't marketed nowadays based on skill. You mention how he is fighting younger guys. Well tbh if you have a 19 year career and you only fight 47 times in that space then yeah it's pretty easy to avoid getting worn out early.

But listen. I completely agree that floyd could trouble any weltwr in any era. But could he do it after fighting more than twice a year? Who knows. To say he would just embarrass them is ignorant. I have no problem with someone saying that floyd could beat Robinson because there is at least an argument. But saying he would win easily is just ignorant. Robinson hits hard, has a great engine, great counter, good footwork and decent speed. He would be trouble for floyd for sure.

[The Gambler1981]

Mayweather might well have got the better of Robinson however I don't think they are that similar. Robinson danced and backpedded a lot more than Mayweather but was also more aggressive because when he moved forward he tended to punch to hurt and knock out his opponent and flurry with hard punches whereas Mayweather has a tendency to pot shot. Robinson displayed more power and was more agressive but Mayweather is defensively a lot better than Robinson and has a more cautious approach.

They are different fighters no doubt, I meant more as to how they do their business. I think if you take either and put them in the others situation they do roughly the same sort of stuff slight variations of course because they do different things well.

It is good to see at least someone knows their Ray Robinson.

[SlySlickSmooth]

The thing about Robinson was he was a tough tough man in the ring. Sure he was a pretty boy, could box you and had power to knock you out. But the difference between him and Floyd is he will place himself in the danger zone because he knows you will become afraid.

The speed, length, and power.. the combination of Robinson was frightening as a 5'11 Welter. Okay he's boxing you, so you try to slug it out with him instead.. next thing you know you realize he can only not just box, but slug you out and his hands are faster too. So what do you do?

I've read for a fight before Robinson thought he was on live television, then in between rounds he found out he wasn't. The next round he decided to stop the guy.

I can't imagine Floyd beating Robinson because Floyd isn't known for entering the battle zone especially at Welterweight and I doubt he would challenge a man of Robinson's stature to a slugfest. Mayweather wouldn't do enough to win rounds against a man just as talented if not more.

[Thomas_Hearns]

He was a phenom.

[SlySlickSmooth]

People watch Robinson clips and think he punches a bit weird. But its the leverage thats created on the shots. He's not only trying to catch you at the end of punches, but when his arm is still at the 45degree angle to create as much power as possible.

He was a baaaaaaad man.

[Heavyfist]

SRR would destroy Floyd. Floyd fights nothing like SRR, that is insane.

Besides how they fight, all the greats consider SRR the best. All the greats say Floyd is over rated, and is ducks Pac.

Floyd would probably lose to SRL too. Floyd has always had brittle hands and cannot punch too much and too hard. Floyd is far more limited in being a defensive fighter, and not knowing how to fight on the inside. Floyd relies on elbowing on the inside to move people off him.

[MurkaMan]

LOL@ the guy thinking Floyd would stand a change against SRR.

SRR would annihilate Floyd. SRL would outpoint Floyd in a boring fight.

SRL had a plus minus of 15, while Floyd had a plus minus of 30 which is top 3 in the history of the sport. SRL's style is all wrong for Floyd. We saw the Floyd Sr fight boy if that was Floyd it would be lopsided.

Duran a guy who cant even speak english got into SRL's head and SRL tried to bully him. Floyd is going to do way more mentally, and bullying Floyd? Thats a no-no from a fighter of SRL's caliber. In the rematch he outboxed Duran.

Outboxing Floyd? Ya, I know lol