Sugar Ray Robinson's jump in weight, amazing.

[MurkaMan]

Yeah man that bum of the month club he had was great. Fought top opposition all the time, lost to schmelling and avenged it later but if schmelling gave him that trouble he would struggle with today's boxers

Again, I dont know all the histories on Joe Lous thats the reason I rarely talk about him. All I know is that his in-ring statistics were great, and his skills that I have SEEN him use were great.

If you say he isnt that accomplished then to me, it just pushes Floyd up above him. I want to ask you a question but I dont think you will answer honestly.

My question is, who fought more bums SRR or Joe Louis? I rank SRL above SRR based off of skills and a decent resume. I rate Floyd above them both because his skills outweigh anything they can do in the ring, and anything they have accomplished.

[MurkaMan]

You could even argue that gatti and Guerrero weren't top three. In fact, and don't tell anyone else, you could even say that marquez was not too 3 at welter when floyd fought him.

Gatti was an unimportant money fight. Ghost was a credible opponent who beat the crap out of people to earn a fight with Floyd. Floyd had to change his entire fighting style to beat Ghost but allot of people dont know boxing and dont realize that he looked completely different fighting him. Ghost was indeed top three.

Side note; Before Cotto, Williams, and Margarita even made any noise, Floyd spent his entire career chasing a money fight with Gatti and Oscar. He structured his career to go directly to those two money fights, and Floyd haters accused him of ducking the 10-20 fighters who were in between.

JMM was the #2 Ring fighter, and Floyd fought him coming off a 2 yr layoff and made him look ******ed af.

[djtmal]

Floyd wouldnt even look at SRR as a threat bro lol. We saw the Jake Lomatta fight. And SRR fought so many bums its amazing.

I am not a Flowwwmo but I am also not going to pretend that Floyd isnt as good as he actually is. Floyd has a handfull of fights where he even got TOUCHED. But you use those few instances to say he would lose to a fighter of SRR's caliber when he got touched in ALL of his fights.

Lets not even talk about Floyd. Pacman would demolish SRR. Pac aint no Damn Jake Lomatta. Boxing has evolved.

i don't know, i'd say floyd touches rr all night, but rr touches floyd back with a lot more sport on it, and its goodnight irene before the tenth...lol

i don't know bro...i see two different style fighters altogether...

from the footage i've seen of rr (160 lb. version), he was a helluva offensive fighting machine, but he was a dude way past his prime, fighting give and take wars with some young hungry lions...but was looking to finish every time...

i could tell in his prime, they would be severely outclassed, but past prime he took shots, just so he could get in position to land the most perfect shot with either hand, straight right, left hook, you name it, and get 'em outta there....ali patterned himself after rr, and he didn't do too bad with his career, so totally crapping on rr sounds quite disrespectful...i don't know did that guy ever hit the canvas? plus rr was the cash cow of his era, but looked like ppl paid to see him ko dudes...

floyd, gifted, but in essence is a defense minded fighter...could never imagine a way past prime pretty boy floyd, give his chin up to land shots if he is losing a fight bad...no he is going to strategize, tire you out make you miss shots, then pick it up when you run out of steam ala bernard hopkins, and sweetpea whitaker to a lesser extent...

the drama in floyd's fight is more the marketing of the unbeatable defensive wizard floyd is and the sideshow, and all the hype prior to, but not during his fights...i will say he definitely put defensive boxing on a higher level, because it was always the more offensive minded, ko seeking fighters that made the big $...guys like sweepea, hopkins, benitez, they were all great...atg's actually, but never were they considered the cash cows of the sport...

[MurkaMan]

i don't know, i'd say floyd touches rr all night, but rr touches floyd back with a lot more sport on it, and its goodnight irene before the tenth...lol

i don't know bro...i see two different style fighters altogether...

from the footage i've seen of rr (160 lb. version), he was a helluva offensive fighting machine, but he was a dude way past his prime, fighting give and take wars with some young hungry lions...but was looking to finish every time...

i could tell in his prime, they would be severely outclassed, but past prime he took shots, just so he could get in position to land the most perfect shot with either hand, straight right, left hook, you name it, and get 'em outta there....ali patterned himself after rr, and he didn't do too bad with his career, so totally crapping on rr sounds quite disrespectful...i don't know did that guy ever hit the canvas? plus rr was the cash cow of his era, but looked like ppl paid to see him ko dudes...

floyd, gifted, but in essence is a defense minded fighter...could never imagine a way past prime pretty boy floyd, give his chin up to land shots if he is losing a fight bad...no he is going to strategize, tire you out make you miss shots, then pick it up when you run out of steam ala bernard hopkins, and sweetpea whitaker to a lesser extent...

the drama in floyd's fight is more the marketing of the unbeatable defensive wizard floyd is and the sideshow, and all the hype prior to, but not during his fights...i will say he definitely put defensive boxing on a higher level, because it was always the more offensive minded, ko seeking fighters that made the big $...guys like sweepea, hopkins, benitez, they were all great...atg's actually, but never were they considered the cash cows of the sport...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Negrro ofCOURSE you will "See Floyd losing" because 100% of ALL of you ALWAYS lie about how those old outdated azz fighters will beat the present day fighters!

"Der I see SRR touching Floyd all night and its goodnight Irene" GTFO!!! That BUMAZZ fighter aint touching no damn Floyd. LOL

He has 1 or 2 rounds to land anything and if he dont knock him out, its over after the 2nd round keep it funky punk!!

"I could tell in his prime he would be severely outclassed" WTF do you think Im STOOPID?!?!? LOL

That o'l bumazz fighter aint landing no shots on Floyd he cant even beat Pac. Boxing has evolved too much for fighters of that caliber to beat Floyd and Pac.

"Past prime" he took shots because he didnt have any defense. Thats why I say Pac would obliterate this dude that aint even a competitive fight tbh. We already know Floyd is going to show up and show out on a fighter of that caliber.

Floyd aint defensive minded. This dude is a complete fkking fighter. He will lead, counter, walk you down, fight on the inside, fight on the outside, the ropes, pocket, forward, backward etc.

SweatPea is a defensive specialist. Floyd is a full blown tactician. Sweat Pea is a "flashy, bob-n-weave, showboat for the camera" defensive fighter. SRR wasnt even as good as him, and Pernell aint no damn Floyd.

Floyd got popular Because he was marketed for his skillset. Same with guys like MJ, Tiger Woods. People appreciate greatness. When Floyd walked down Canelo without being touched, thats the Floyd people been paying to see. Or the Floyd who outslicked JMM. A ko at the end of the fights would be great, but without it you got so many rounds of pure perfection that boxing will never see again. Top 3 plus minus in boxing history! None like the man!

[Ham Porter]

Void can barely put together a meaningful combination or even sustain any level of an assault as a welterweight, but he's a complete fighter.

****ing do one, SlurpaMan. Your boy isn't Pernell Whitaker, James Toney or Roberto Duran. These guys could actually fight in the pocket against the highest calibre of opposition and showcase a level of defensive prowess Void could only dream of possessing.

[Boxfan7819]

He didnt look amazing. This dude fought nothing but bums and used to wing power shots! He aint schit!

lol... Ali is the greatest!!

[MurkaMan]

Void can barely put together a meaningful combination or even sustain any level of an assault as a welterweight, but he's a complete fighter.

****ing do one, SlurpaMan. Your boy isn't Pernell Whitaker, James Toney or Roberto Duran. These guys could actually fight in the pocket against the highest calibre of opposition and showcase a level of defensive prowess Void could only dream of possessing.

Throwing combinations means he cant fight off the ropes, in the pocket, going backwards, forward etc? Because he doesnt throw combinations that mean he doesnt have all these skills that SRL couldnt even dream of having?

He doesnt throw combinations because he's fighting giants who are twice his size and half his age. A guy like Floyd would get KO'd if he tried to fight like Pacman because Pacman runs while throwing combos and he alot more power and stamina than Floyd. Floyd is going to punch himself out, and because he fights in the pocket he compinsates by throwing less shots while standing right down the pipe and not getting touched. Top 3 plus minus in the history of the sport. But your biased against him so your judgement is not worth trusting obviously.

Pernell, Toney, and Duran used to get their azzes whipped lol. Toney does throw combinations in the pocket but not against the caliber of Jumbo Giants that Floyd faces.

[MurkaMan]

lol... Ali is the greatest!!

Allot of people say Ali is overrated and thats a conversation that I dont get involved with because I just rate him personally on his skills but I do rank him up their with Floyd.

He had the slickness and smoothness that guys like SRL didnt have.

SRL could also fight in the pocket as well as going backwards but it wasnt as silky smooth as Flyd and Ali!

[Heavyfist]

LOL@ the guy thinking Floyd would stand a change against SRR.

SRR would annihilate Floyd. SRL would outpoint Floyd in a boring fight.

[The Gambler1981]

Question, how hard was LaMotta to hit?

Was he easier or more difficult to hit than Holman Williams or Charley Burley?

Other than cash what were Robinson's issues with the Black Murders row.

Which one guy did Ray Robinson hate the most to fight exhibitions against? (hint it wasn't a brawler).

If you can answer those questions you will find what Ray Robinson thought about fighting guys who were difficult to hit~