How Great Was Oscar De La Hoya?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You seem to conveniently leave out the timing of those fights. Whitaker and Chavez were well past their best and Oscar clearly lost to Mayweather and Mosley 1 in spite of those bogus scorecards.

That running against Trinidad is not what a great fighter does. Oscar was good but padding his resume won't make him great.

Im not over hyping anything...

never said anywhere in my post that it was prime chavez or pernell.. said chavez had been beaten by movers but nobody had ever beaten him up till oscar...

Said pernell was longtime welter champ... never said he was prime..


What do you mean oscar runs and great fighters don't run... Have you ever seen floyd fight... how much running has he done in his career., So is floyd not a great fighter??? also seen roy run in fights before when up on the cards...

I think your using a double standard for oscar


plus, when did i say that shane and floyd didn't win clear decisions.. I clearly said he lost competitive fights... they were competitive, he lost...
How is that padding resumes???? those are the facts.....

Point is in regards to timing of the fights-
when oscar was a young lion he fought the veteran greats i.e. chavez, pernell

when oscar was at his peak, he fought his contemporary rivals in their prime i.e. tito, ike, shane

when oscar was a past prime fighter he fought the young lions like floyd and manny...




at every stage of his career he fought the best.......


I think you need to reread my post, because your way off the mark on nearly everything you said..

[STEELHEAD]

Always been a bit of a De La Hoya fan. I've always felt he was better than the boxing public have you believe. I hold him higher than guys that got wins against him in his prime like Trinidad or Mosley.
Anyway what are your opinions?

he wasnt as good as they make him out to be. just look at his resume and see how old and past their prime some of the guys he fought were.

[lefthook2daliva]

When hoya was cash cow, we never used the word "duck" or "boring".

That's pretty great all by itself.

[STEELHEAD]

a lot of fools on this thread... let me break it down for you in a timeline

92- gold medal olympian, turns pro under arum

93- in like his 4th fight he is fighting veteran jeff mayweather

94- invades 130 and beats molina and bredahl,, decent fighters especially for such a young fighter like oscar was

95- invades 135, blows away true world class fighters like ruelas, lieja, genaro

96- invades 140, absolutely destroys chavez in one of the biggest fights of the year.. chavez had been beaten by movers, but nobody and ever just blown him out and make him quit like oscar did..

97- invades 147 and fights his first true p4p opponent in pernell whitaker, defeats whitaker and dethrones the longtime welter champ..

98- arum milks oscar abit and has him fight camacho in dec 97, and chavez 2 in 98

99- oscar fights the top guys and unifies in the welter division, beats undefeated ike, and gets robbed vs undefeated tito.. also beats ova carr who is a legit contender at the time

2000- fights undefeated prime shane and loses in a super close fight, shane just had a little more in the tank down the stretch..

2001- blows out gatti and moves up to 154 and beats castellejo for a 154 belt

2002- long layoff, and comeback to unify 154 in a grudge match vs vargas.. vargas is roiled, beats up oscar early, but oscar shows great heart and comes back to stop vargas late

2003- gets robbed in the shane rematch

20004- goes all the way up to 160 and fights prime strum, gets a gift win, and then challenges the legendary hopkins for all the belts at 160

2005- sat out

2006- returns and shreds the wild man mayorga,, no one has ever blown out mayorga like oscar did...

2007- challenges the best fighter in the world floyd may weather, loses a close competitive decision

2008- fights manny, and drains himself making welter, and totally gets embarrassed.. retires


all in all, oscar fought nothing but the very best...

only fighter in history to fight 3 different guys that at the time were p4p #1.. hopkins, floyd, manny... No other boxer can even come close to that

also fought top 5 p4p guys like prime undefeated shane, prime undefeated tito, pernell...


To put that into perspective, he has fought more p4p guys than floyd, hopkins, and roy did combined....


No one goes thru oscar's schedule undefeated.. No one....

Gave the fans the biggest fights, year after year, for over a decade..

Never let networks or promoters stand in the way of making big fights


One of the greatest offensive fighters of All time..

A true warrior

Maybe not a top 50 ATG, but certainly a top 100 or so fighter in history

He was absolutely devastating at 135 and 140.. carried power all the way to 154....


If you don't think oscar is great then you really DKSAB

man Sugar Adam Ali... you are like tunny/carnivorous/freedom is with the klits.wahahahahahh

[Sugar Adam Ali]

he wasnt as good as they make him out to be. just look at his resume and see how old and past their prime some of the guys he fought were.

you have no idea what your talking about......


sure pernell and chavez were on the downhill but both were champs, and pernell was still on p4p lists....

What did you what oscar to do,,, build a ****ing time machine and go back to 1989 and fight them...

look at floyd fighting old shane, old cotto, old oscar, old gatti,



name all these old fighters that oscar fought...

prime shane
prime tito
prime ike
all undefeated
leija
rualas
floyd
manny
vargas
carr
molina

[Sugar Adam Ali]

man Sugar Adam Ali... you are like tunny/carnivorous/freedom is with the klits.wahahahahahh

I'm just stating the facts..... thats the facts.....


what is wrong with what i posted....

I called oscar out with his gifts, and called it when he got robbed...


Im not trying to say he is sugar ray robinson, or even leonard, but oscar was a tremendous fighter and the proof is in the pudding....

Go back and watch him in the 90s at 130,135,140... The guy was a killer..

Of course your going to take some L's when fighting top level HOF caliber fighters in their prime...


hopkins
floyd
manny
were all #1 p4p when oscar fought them

shane
tito
pernell
were all top 5 or 6 p4p

ike
vargas
molina
leija
rualas
genaro
were all world class fighters


the 2nd chavez fight and the camacho fights were cash grabs and i even said arum was milking him...

I can't keep it any realer than that

[baya]

ODLH was awesome.

he was a hero of mine as a kid along with dan marino and ronald reagan.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

ODLH was awesome.

he was a hero of mine as a kid along with dan marino and ronald reagan.

lol..

were you a kid for like 20 years... marino and reagan are so 80s and oscar is so late 90s... but i feel ya

mine was evander, chavez, jordan, jose canseco

[lefthook2daliva]

I'm just stating the facts..... thats the facts.....


what is wrong with what i posted....

I called oscar out with his gifts, and called it when he got robbed...


Im not trying to say he is sugar ray robinson, or even leonard, but oscar was a tremendous fighter and the proof is in the pudding....

Go back and watch him in the 90s at 130,135,140... The guy was a killer..

Of course your going to take some L's when fighting top level HOF caliber fighters in their prime...


hopkins
floyd
manny
were all #1 p4p when oscar fought them

shane
tito
pernell
were all top 5 or 6 p4p

ike
vargas
molina
leija
rualas
genaro
were all world class fighters


the 2nd chavez fight and the camacho fights were cash grabs and i even said arum was milking him...

I can't keep it any realer than that

Gotta' agree.

Don't know what other dude is on about.

[R_Walken]

I'm a Oscar hater. Great resume believe TR did a excellent job building him up and knew when to put him in fights .but in my opinion he's a good fighter for his era he's not one of the best but he was the $ man.

Starting out He built his resume fighting past prime legends and when he fought the elite guys of his era he lost. Since Tito what notable wins does be have Vargas, Mayorga, Gatti.

Over-Rated but that resume is insane.