Comments Thread For: Brook's Promoter Confident Kell Beats Keith Thurman

[HandsofIron]

Unless it becomes a clinch-fest, Thurman whoops Brook's monkey ass easily.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Doesnt stand out in any area. He has knock out power in both hands, which he can deliver off his back foot or front foot. Moving or flat footed. How is that not standing out. He is also a very good counter puncher, which is what he identifies with, he considers himself a power counter puncher. I question how much you've seen him fight?

I say he doesn't stand out as a ****er or a boxer, but can do both well, but not world class..

If ****ing he would get out ****** by a mayorga, margarito, tito,, any true world class ****er

And if he is boxing, he gets outboxed by floyd, Marquez, Cory spinks, or any world class boxer type...

Thurman is effective because he can adapt, but he isn't great at ****ing or boxing,, good at both but not great at either, and a world class ****er or boxer should beat him.. He just hasn't faced one yet,,,


I just don't see how Thurman would have an answer for brooks jab and brook has the soze to match Thurman's..

All things even between two fighters I will take the guy with the better jab..
It's the most effective punch in boxing when used properly, and I will take the better jabber over the better power puncher everytime...

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Speed, Power, timing, counter punching, distance control which are things Thurman excels at, which are also things that annihilate a jab. No one had a better jab then De La Hoya and he ended up with 5 losses, Sugar Ray, Muhammed Ali, I can go on. Brooks jab is nowhere near the level of these men and they still loss, so put your faith in a jab that's flawed.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

1.. Brook pretty much dominated Porter and made him look sloppy, amateurish and one dimensional

2. Thurman is limited because if you really understand the mechanics and nuances of boxing it's clear as day that thurman is versatile but he doesn't stand out in any area which will be his downfall..
Example: thurman was forced to box vs chavez because chavez was there to ****, Thurman made the adjustment and he has enough skills to box from a distance vs a ****er, and when faced with a boxer he is capable of turning into a power punching hunter.. But he has yet to face a world class fighter, and vs brooks, Thurman will be forced into a power punching hunter mode, and will walk into the jab all night long..

I'm not saying Thurman is a scrub, he is a true contender, no doubt..
I think he could beat rios, Alvarado, Porter, because he has superior technical skill, and I think he could hunt down alexander, khan, pauli, Bradley, because he is a good power puncher, but faced with a really good jab and size that brook possesses, I think Thurman turns into the power puncher to hunt brook down but comes up short because he will have no answer for brooks jab, and that will be the difference maker

1. Porter had a weakness that Brook had just enough power to exploit (unlike Devon and Paulie) but that doesn't mean Porter wasn't landing some effective shots of his own. Brook just got a clear win but it wasn't a dominating one.

2. Thurman's fight with Bundu should tell you that he's not the one to rush into power punching hunter mode. Thurman patiently picks his opportunity to punch and counter. Brook does have a good jab but it's not a fast one and unlike Porter, Thurman isn't going to keep rushing into it. Not only that but he isn't letting Brook catch him in any clinches either. Thurman is a far more difficult puzzle for Brook to solve.

This fight would likely be another chess match with the winner being the one with the better speed and power, in which I think Thurman has in both areas.

[LacedUp]

Already admitted i was wrong about the Mandatory in an earlier post.

Now as for the rest I can tell the hate is strong with you because you are seriously going to sit here and compare Porters power to Thurmans. What ever you need to talk up Brook right? Do you know how Porter got his shot against Alexander, Porter defeated Julio Diaz in a tough fight by decision after fighting to a draw with Diaz when they first fought. The same Julio Diaz that Thurman walked over.

Where did I saw Porter punched as hard as Thurman? One thing is clear, and that's Porter has power in both hands. Both Alexander and Malignaggi have solid chins and he hurt them both badly.

Porter had a tough fight the first time around, the second time he beat Diaz comfortably. Did you even watch the fight? Doubt it.

I'm a Thurman fan spastic, I'm just not a fanboy like you who'll bring up WBC ranking wins and interim titles as leverage.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I say he doesn't stand out as a ****er or a boxer, but can do both well, but not world class..

If ****ing he would get out ****** by a mayorga, margarito, tito,, any true world class ****er

And if he is boxing, he gets outboxed by floyd, Marquez, Cory spinks, or any world class boxer type...

Thurman is effective because he can adapt, but he isn't great at ****ing or boxing,, good at both but not great at either, and a world class ****er or boxer should beat him.. He just hasn't faced one yet,,,


I just don't see how Thurman would have an answer for brooks jab and brook has the soze to match Thurman's..

All things even between two fighters I will take the guy with the better jab..
It's the most effective punch in boxing when used properly, and I will take the better jabber over the better power puncher everytime...

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Speed, Power, timing, counter punching, distance control which are things Thurman excels at, which are also things that annihilate a jab. No one had a better jab then De La Hoya and he ended up with 5 losses, Sugar Ray, Muhammed Ali, I can go on. Brooks jab is nowhere near the level of these men and they still loss, so put your faith in a jab that's flawed.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]


you are talking nonsense my friend...
Oscar is a horrible example,,, he fought probably the toughest schedule of opponents in modern history.. The man fought 3 different fighters that at the time were #1 p4p... Of course he would have loses...


Thurman doesn't excel at anything... He hasn't beaten one top caliber guy yet... He has wins over a bunch of fringe contenders.

I like Thurman, but it's absurd to think he excels at any one area.. The thing he excels at is heart and attitude towards boxing..
He def has good power punching, but he doesn't excel at it.. Ggg excels at it.. Ggg or kovolev would destroy the caliber of fighters of chavez, etc.. Thurman is beating them but he is not some dominating monster like GGG or kovolev.. Good fighter that will win some and lose some, but he will never be great...

He won't have an answer for brooks jab... Thurman won't be able to outbox brook so he will turn into a hunter, which will allow brook to pop him all night long with the jab...

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Where did I saw Porter punched as hard as Thurman? One thing is clear, and that's Porter has power in both hands. Both Alexander and Malignaggi have solid chins and he hurt them both badly.

Porter had a tough fight the first time around, the second time he beat Diaz comfortably. Did you even watch the fight? Doubt it.

I'm a Thurman fan spastic, I'm just not a fanboy like you who'll bring up WBC ranking wins and interim titles as leverage.

The only fan boy here is you. Im defending Thurman over the B.S and nonsensical crap that you and others have spewed on this board. Degrading Thurman and propping up Brook because Brook got 1 win over Porter. You brought up what Brook had done first and I responded, or did you conveniently forget that?

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Speed, Power, timing, counter punching, distance control which are things Thurman excels at, which are also things that annihilate a jab. No one had a better jab then De La Hoya and he ended up with 5 losses, Sugar Ray, Muhammed Ali, I can go on. Brooks jab is nowhere near the level of these men and they still loss, so put your faith in a jab that's flawed.

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you are talking nonsense my friend...
Oscar is a horrible example,,, he fought probably the toughest schedule of opponents in modern history.. The man fought 3 different fighters that at the time were #1 p4p... Of course he would have loses...


Thurman doesn't excel at anything... He hasn't beaten one top caliber guy yet... He has wins over a bunch of fringe contenders.

I like Thurman, but it's absurd to think he excels at any one area.. The thing he excels at is heart and attitude towards boxing..
He def has good power punching, but he doesn't excel at it.. Ggg excels at it.. Ggg or kovolev would destroy the caliber of fighters of chavez, etc.. Thurman is beating them but he is not some dominating monster like GGG or kovolev.. Good fighter that will win some and lose some, but he will never be great...

He won't have an answer for brooks jab... Thurman won't be able to outbox brook so he will turn into a hunter, which will allow brook to pop him all night long with the jab...[/QUOTE]

As i said i question how many times you have seen Thurman fight. He is an excellent counter puncher, he is excellent at controlling distance, he is excellent at fighting off his back foot, he has an excellent boxing IQ, he is excellent attacking the body, Excellent power in both hands, Thurman is bigger then Brook and if you think Brook is going to hold Thurman off with a jab you are mistaken. Brook held for dear life when the shorter fighter got into him, do you think Brook will be able to smother Thurman that way when Thurman gets close. Is the Jab a weapon for Brook? yes, but thats not good enough to get the job done.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

you are talking nonsense my friend...
Oscar is a horrible example,,, he fought probably the toughest schedule of opponents in modern history.. The man fought 3 different fighters that at the time were #1 p4p... Of course he would have loses...


Thurman doesn't excel at anything... He hasn't beaten one top caliber guy yet... He has wins over a bunch of fringe contenders.

I like Thurman, but it's absurd to think he excels at any one area.. The thing he excels at is heart and attitude towards boxing..
He def has good power punching, but he doesn't excel at it.. Ggg excels at it.. Ggg or kovolev would destroy the caliber of fighters of chavez, etc.. Thurman is beating them but he is not some dominating monster like GGG or kovolev.. Good fighter that will win some and lose some, but he will never be great...

He won't have an answer for brooks jab... Thurman won't be able to outbox brook so he will turn into a hunter, which will allow brook to pop him all night long with the jab...[/QUOTE]

As i said i question how many times you have seen Thurman fight. He is an excellent counter puncher, he is excellent at controlling distance, he is excellent at fighting off his back foot, he has an excellent boxing IQ, he is excellent attacking the body, Excellent power in both hands, Thurman is bigger then Brook and if you think Brook is going to hold Thurman off with a jab you are mistaken. Brook held for dear life when the shorter fighter got into him, do you think Brook will be able to smother Thurman that way when Thurman gets close. Is the Jab a weapon for Brook? yes, but thats not good enough to get the job done.[/QUOTE]

Thurman looks excellent vs fringe contenders... That's the key

Yes he is able to effectively counter and **** with fringe contenders.. So did Lucas, lacy, Peter, katsidis, etc... And when they faced top level guys, they were defeated...

Thurman looks good vs fringe contenders, and could beat some top guys like Bradley, khan, etc.. But brooks style with his jab would be what Danny's counters were to Lucas, the difference maker in a competive fight...

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

Thurman looks excellent vs fringe contenders... That's the key

Yes he is able to effectively counter and **** with fringe contenders.. So did Lucas, lacy, Peter, katsidis, etc... And when they faced top level guys, they were defeated...

Thurman looks good vs fringe contenders, and could beat some top guys like Bradley, khan, etc.. But brooks style with his jab would be what Danny's counters were to Lucas, the difference maker in a competive fight...

Brook would be lucky that his jab would land at all since his handspeed is slow compared to Thurman's.

One thing you gotta think about is how Brook would react to Thurman's power? Thurman and Chaves were landing hardshots but once Chaves got hit with that well-timed body shot, the fight pretty much over right there.

Soto-Karass has a pretty good chin and even though he was still game, he was dropped and eventually KO'd very brutally four rounds later.

Diaz was wobbled, dropped, and eventually quit after getting his ribbed cracked.

Bundu, who hasn't been knocked down in 10 years, was dropped in the 1st round and throughout the entire fight, seemed almost too hesitant to let his hands go.

That tells you something about Thurman's power and he WILL catch Brook with it. I personally don't think Brook's reaction would be a good one.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Brook would be lucky that his jab would land at all since his handspeed is slow compared to Thurman's.

One thing you gotta think about is how Brook would react to Thurman's power? Thurman and Chaves were landing hardshots but once Chaves got hit with that well-timed body shot, the fight pretty much over right there.

Soto-Karass has a pretty good chin and even though he was still game, he was dropped and eventually KO'd very brutally four rounds later.

Diaz was wobbled, dropped, and eventually quit after getting his ribbed cracked.

Bundu, who hasn't been knocked down in 10 years, was dropped in the 1st round and throughout the entire fight, seemed almost too hesitant to let his hands go.

That tells you something about Thurman's power and he WILL catch Brook with it. I personally don't think Brook's reaction would be a good one.

No doubt that if thurman can land consistently, he will hurt, drop, and maybe stop brook.., but problem is he may not land enough... He didn't stop bundu, so it's not unreasonable to think brook would last 12...

I think both are close in talent, different fighting styles but very close talent and skill levels... I just like brooks jab over Thurman's punching power