To all those who say Wladdy is best HW ever etc

[BKM-2010]

Math. Math. Math.

What matters is the numbers, not the names AT THIS POINT. We're done playing those games. The names have become subjective to the point where wins over the likes of Pulev are even criticized. This is of course opinion.



Title defenses, records of opponents are the only reliable data at this point. The criticism against Fury and Wilder are already waiting in the wings once they're beaten. What matters is that a 32-0, 32 ko's record will be 32-1 once Wlad is done with this prime, 6'7 opponent.

LOL. Boxing ranking is literally the opposite of what you just described. Like to a tee.

[BKM-2010]

Today we don't have anywhere near the amount of great trainers or students for that matter.
Its much easier to cut corners and boxers back in the day lived healthy lifestyles for most part compared to those of today. They would be eating potatoes, steak, chicken and so on without all these fancy supplements that don't absorb properly and have zero proven health or performance benefits, in all fairness most probably do more harm than good.
Not too mention all the partying but that isn't to say a lot/most never back then.

They was cut from a different cloth back in the day. They didn't live the life of luxury that most people of today do.
They would fight like they only had one shot, most of todays fighters hearts aren't truly in it and seem to think ''oh well I will get another opportunity thanks to who I am signed with''

I don't believe training methods have evolved. What do we have or even do that they never back then? What new training methods do we have?

Most of todays fighters train like marathon runners or bodybuilders. Back then they trained to fight! They trained like a boxer not a keep fitter.
Lets face it most of todays fighters train like keep fitters - Load of cardio that is massively heavy on the joints with a bit of padwork, sparring thrown in.

Best post of the thread.

[M Bison]

No, he is right.

You are wrong.

Let him have his 'win' it means everything to him and it might make him sleep better at night.

<3 LacedUp

[M Bison]

No I'm right.

Swimming is a low impact endurance exercise, that focuses more on your upper body than your legs, whereas running will focus on your legs. Also, because you aren't weightless in a boxing ring, your legs will tire quickly if they aren't running on a regular basis.

Running and jumping rope can be supplemented with swimming, but if you're a boxer it's a bad idea to reverse it.

To be fair the swimming vs running is a very subjective matter, neither in my honest opinion can be proven to be more beneficial than the other.
I ain't the greatest swimmer but it definitely does take a toll on your legs 30 min of swimming vs 30 min of running both, me personally I'd say the swimming for 30 minutes is more hard going.

[LacedUp]

To be fair the swimming vs running is a very subjective matter, neither in my honest opinion can be proven to be more beneficial than the other.
I ain't the greatest swimmer but it definitely does take a toll on your legs 30 min of swimming vs 30 min of running both, me personally I'd say the swimming for 30 minutes is more hard going.

I am not claiming swimming is not harder than running.

it involves a lot more major muscle groups than running does.

but it's pretty simple really, running has a lot more resemblance to boxing than does swimming. It's like claiming swimming is better for marathon running than running on a treadmill. Makes no sense.

[low blows]

so supporting **** party is not enough for you I guess. Even if they didn't give any money, they are betrayers

They support Ukrainian Neo ****'s? Why hasn't the Western Press circulated this? This sounds like what pro Russian separatists would spew.

[Cechmate]

So basically, I think we can all agree that Wladdy is not the GOAT. Not even close.

[M Bison]

So basically, I think we can all agree that Wladdy is not the GOAT. Not even close.

Yeah only 2/3 names are likely ahead of Wladimir of all the GOAT from the HW past, plus side is he is still active and doing good in his later years unlike those people who are rated ahead of him.

[B-Bomber]

I wasn't saying the whole supplementation is the reason to the increase of life expectancy, I was just saying it's not as bad as some think plenty of people in the fitness business have used it and they're living up into their 70s (Larry Scott 75yo, RIP) then guys like Frank Zane who are still going quite strong.

Some muscles I think are necessary the shoulders for example depending on the type of fighter you are holding your guard up for prolonged periods can feel heavy after a while.
Then the neck even Floyd Mayweather works on that because it will likely lessen the blow a little bit when your head gets jolted back.
It just depends how physical you are as a fighter, for an inside fighter surely you'd think building the strength out would do him the world of favour hence why Mike was built like he was and it certainly seemed to help him against much bigger and heavier men.

I can see what you're saying though and I agree for the most part.

Mike Tyson has never been an inside fighter, in fact he wasn't even particularly good on the inside. He fought at mid range and very rarely tried to work inside.

I do hope your attempts at revising history are over . At least this time you aren't talking about football.