To all those who say Wladdy is best HW ever etc

[LacedUp]

You didn't explain yourself, therefore your statement means ZILCH.

Yes, the NUMBERS are all that matters. How many times has Wlad cleaned out the division, many times over. He even had to recycle some contenders and bring them back for a second time (i.e. Thompson), until this new crop of Heavyweights (Fury, Wilder, Pulev) emerged. There is no legit criticism against Wlad. It's all numbers and still going strong...

After every win, there is a new narrative from the peanut gallery. But all we know is that win # 64 is coming up next and it will be against yet another undefeated fighter in his prime, and it's just a stay busy fight until the WBC Champion is ready for unification.

He has beaten all of 2 current top ten contenders.

I think there's a few good left.

[M Bison]

You didn't explain yourself, therefore your statement means ZILCH.

Yes, the NUMBERS are all that matters. How many times has Wlad cleaned out the division, many times over. He even had to recycle some contenders and bring them back for a second time (i.e. Thompson), until this new crop of Heavyweights (Fury, Wilder, Pulev) emerged. There is no legit criticism against Wlad. It's all numbers and still going strong...

After every win, there is a new narrative from the peanut gallery. But all we know is that win # 64 is coming up next and it will be against yet another undefeated fighter in his prime, and it's just a stay busy fight until the WBC Champion is ready for unification.

Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier never really did that, I mean they never got the chance because the division was up in arms nobody was decisively better in that era.
Joe Frazier is rated higher by some people yet he avoided a lot of the big punchers of his time, how can he be greater than Wladimir for doing that?
For me I'd sooner see Sonny Liston, George Foreman and Larry Holmes ahead of Frazier and Ali If I was to bother with the whole top ten all time rankings.

The number most impressive to me would be beating Louis reign, in my eyes Wladimir has already done it because when you compare the type of guys Joe was facing its not as impressive for Joe, Impressive at the time don't get me wrong but the sport has evolved whether you like it or not.

[LacedUp]

Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier never really did that, I mean they never got the chance because the division was up in arms nobody was decisively better in that era.
Joe Frazier is rated higher by some people yet he avoided a lot of the big punchers of his time, how can he be greater than Wladimir for doing that?
For me I'd sooner see Sonny Liston, George Foreman and Larry Holmes ahead of Frazier and Ali If I was to bother with the whole top ten all time rankings.

The number most impressive to me would be beating Louis reign, in my eyes Wladimir has already done it because when you compare the type of guys Joe was facing its not as impressive for Joe, Impressive at the time don't get me wrong but the sport has evolved whether you like it or not.

Ali was the lineal, undisputed champion for 11 years during his career.

Wlad has 5 years under his belt.

Do your research next time.

Evolved how? How has the sport of boxing evolved for heavyweights? - I'm assuming you mean positively.

Frazier avoided big punchers? Ridiculous statement, and it has already been shot down about a 100 times on this forum by people who know what they are talking about.

[cupocity303]

He has beaten all of 2 current top ten contenders.

I think there's a few good left.

3, if we go by the bible of boxing.

http://******.craveonline.com/ratings/heavyweight


edit: and I didn't know boxingscene was that insecure that they blocked out ring magazine.

[LacedUp]

3, if we go by the bible of boxing.

http://******.craveonline.com/ratings/heavyweight


edit: and I didn't know boxingscene was that insecure that they blocked out ring magazine.

I use trbr http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/#heavy

but 3 then.

[FlatLine]

Lewis beats Wladimir within 6 rounds tops, Wladimir just doesn't have the inside game that Lewis had and Lewis could do everything Wladimir does - only better. Plus he beat Vitali in 6 rounds so that means Lewis would have beat both brothers within 12 rounds. There's no question really if you're being honest about it.

[M Bison]

Ali was the lineal, undisputed champion for 11 years during his career.

Wlad has 5 years under his belt.

Do your research next time.

Evolved how? How has the sport of boxing evolved for heavyweights? - I'm assuming you mean positively.

Frazier avoided big punchers? Ridiculous statement, and it has already been shot down about a 100 times on this forum by people who know what they are talking about.

11 years and how many bad decisions by the judges and how many crooked fights that were tied in with the mob?

It's blatantly obvious its evolved, from the days that only American boxers were the dominant force in the scene to this day where we have state of the art facilities, boxing gyms set up in countries all over the world and amateur programs set up in more than a handful of countries yet you want to tell me that supposedly that the time when there was less was more competitive?
Absolutely bogus.

[LacedUp]

11 years and how many bad decisions by the judges and how many crooked fights that were tied in with the mob?

It's blatantly obvious its evolved, from the days that only American boxers were the dominant force in the scene to this day where we have state of the art facilities, boxing gyms set up in countries all over the world and amateur programs set up in more than a handful of countries yet you want to tell me that supposedly that the time when there was less was more competitive?
Absolutely bogus.

Ok so there's more equipment now, great.

How has the actual sport evolved?

[M Bison]

Ok so there's more equipment now, great.

How has the actual sport evolved?

By it being an actual world wide sport compared to back then, you can't claim to be the best at something when the sport only has three, four or maybe five countries seriously competing in it.

You ignore the fact there are more countries in the sport of boxing but address the fact there is more equipment, training methods, regimes and standards which athletes would perhaps follow to reduce the likelihood of injury whilst training.

[dan_cov]

Today we don't have anywhere near the amount of great trainers or students for that matter.
Its much easier to cut corners and boxers back in the day lived healthy lifestyles for most part compared to those of today. They would be eating potatoes, steak, chicken and so on without all these fancy supplements that don't absorb properly and have zero proven health or performance benefits, in all fairness most probably do more harm than good.
Not too mention all the partying but that isn't to say a lot/most never back then.

They was cut from a different cloth back in the day. They didn't live the life of luxury that most people of today do.
They would fight like they only had one shot, most of todays fighters hearts aren't truly in it and seem to think ''oh well I will get another opportunity thanks to who I am signed with''

I don't believe training methods have evolved. What do we have or even do that they never back then? What new training methods do we have?

Most of todays fighters train like marathon runners or bodybuilders. Back then they trained to fight! They trained like a boxer not a keep fitter.
Lets face it most of todays fighters train like keep fitters - Load of cardio that is massively heavy on the joints with a bit of padwork, sparring thrown in.