Comments Thread For: Canelo Focused on 5/2 Date, With or Without Cotto

[Carpe Diem]

The Top 5 current egomaniacs/divas in boxing(boxers only)


1. Floyd
2. Khan
3. Manny
4. Canelo
5. Cotto

[The Gambler1981]

The Top 5 current egomaniacs/divas in boxing(boxers only)


1. Floyd
2. Khan
3. Manny
4. Canelo
5. Cotto

I agree with the list I don't know if I agree with the order, it gets tough after 1 really so I guess it could be in any order after that.

[Beater_of_ass]

They are both roughly at the same PPVs. Around 300-350 thousand buys. Stop acting like Cotto is doing more. If Cotto was smart, why would he face mayweather where his purse for the fight will be smaller? Also you think Floyd is going to give up 50/50 split for Cotto where he doesn't even want to do that for Pacquiao? Get real dude. Stop being a fan boy for Cotto and wake up. Cotto's best decision is with Canelo. Cotto and Canelo both act like little diva b*tches, honestly.

Cotto has done more and he just DID more than Canelo in their last fights on PPV. Cotto did 375k to 300k... that's 25% more, so no they aren't doing the same numbers. Also, how long you been is just as important as what you're doing now. Canelo has had 1 fight do better than Cotto and his other two are equal to Cotto's lowest. Paulie did about 250-300k on PPV, Judah was I believe 375k, Molsey was 400k, Margarito was 500k, Manny was 1.25 milion, Margarito II was 600k, Floyd was 1.5 million and then 375k with Martinez. So basically Cotto's stomps all over Canelo's numbers except for 1 fight and he is the bigger draw lol. Stop fooling yourself.

Who said Cotto would get less money fighting Floyd? He might get less of a percentage, but it doesn't mean he'll make less money. A rematch with Floyd will do more PPV buys than a fight with Canelo, period. So even if he get's 30% from Floyd or 35% (which he got the first time) he could still make more money than with Canelo or maybe slightly less. And guess what? Cotto took less money to face Martinez instead of Canelo for LEGACY. Canelo offers maybe the same money as Floyd, with no title and Canelo does nothing for Cotto's legacy and when stacked with beating Floyd... So how in any way, shape or form is Canelo better for Cotto? The only thing I can think of is he will absolute win that fight whereas he might lose to Floyd.

[SplitSecond]

The Top 5 current egomaniacs/divas in boxing(boxers only)


1. Floyd
2. Khan
3. Manny
4. Canelo
5. Cotto

i dont know why pacquiao or canelo is on there

khan is delusional, cotto and floyd speak almost exclusively in the third person

[Beater_of_ass]

Cotto was labeled a diva because he wanted the champions treatment. Being introduced second and walking out first, little things that are irrelevant not financial terms. Cotto had evey right to ask for the a significantly bigger piece of the pie in that matchup.

This is a completely different situation, Cotto is getting the champions treatment as ODH stated before. Financially, if you're Alvarez you try to get as much as you can, specially if you're on equal footing like these two are.

But... Cotto didn't walk out last or get introduced first... And they aren't on equal footing at all. Canelo had more buys against Floyd but he put up by far the worse performance of the two and hasn't looked good against anyone except a shot to **** Angulo. You're saying that hasn't dimished his stock at all? So Manny's stock is just doing fine after his loss too right? Canelo didn't get put to sleep but he might as well have because he did that bad and his PPV buys show it. 2 million less people buying from his PPV and went DOWN each time and he's a bigger draw lmao. Please.

[Wolfie*]

Cotto has done more and he just DID more than Canelo in their last fights on PPV. Cotto did 375k to 300k... that's 25% more, so no they aren't doing the same numbers. Also, how long you been is just as important as what you're doing now. Canelo has had 1 fight do better than Cotto and his other two are equal to Cotto's lowest. Paulie did about 250-300k on PPV, Judah was I believe 375k, Molsey was 400k, Margarito was 500k, Manny was 1.25 milion, Margarito II was 600k, Floyd was 1.5 million and then 375k with Martinez. So basically Cotto's stomps all over Canelo's numbers except for 1 fight and he is the bigger draw lol. Stop fooling yourself.

Who said Cotto would get less money fighting Floyd? He might get less of a percentage, but it doesn't mean he'll make less money. A rematch with Floyd will do more PPV buys than a fight with Canelo, period. So even if he get's 30% from Floyd or 35% (which he got the first time) he could still make more money than with Canelo or maybe slightly less. And guess what? Cotto took less money to face Martinez instead of Canelo for LEGACY. Canelo offers maybe the same money as Floyd, with no title and Canelo does nothing for Cotto's legacy and when stacked with beating Floyd... So how in any way, shape or form is Canelo better for Cotto? The only thing I can think of is he will absolute win that fight whereas he might lose to Floyd.

Regarding your other post. You are seriously down playing the 2.2 millions by trying to say canelo looked like ****. We are talking about PPV buys, not performance. Listen dude, Cotto has been on PPV more times than Canelo since he's been around longer. High PPV numbers are about who you face period. If Cotto or Canelo fights a bum, they won't sell ****. Canelo fought angulo who hasn't been on PPV before did decent numbers. Same thing for lara, never been on PPV, hardcore fans just to know them, did decent numbers. Do you honestly believe Cotto would have done better numbers with those fights? Cotto did good numbers against mosley because he was a big name and been on ppv before. He did good numbers with Margarito 2 because of the controversy with the hand wraps, the rivalry, and the bad blood. I honestly take the cotto vs mayweather numbers with a grain of salt because canelo was on the undercard and he was already a big name in mexico and that's why he dipped from being on the mayweather undercard. Mayweather's numbers are slipping dude so that 35% might actually might be as big as you think and we all know the purse with Canelo will be bigger. Showtime can't afford to pay big purses anyway when they are paying mayweather 30+ million a fight. If Cotto is smart, he'll take the canelo fight.

[oc9979]

You are factoring out the purses being handed out. Long term the money is with canelo. I highly doubt canelo will fight Cotto coming off a loss to mayweather or a loss in general. If that was the case, he would have fought Cotto after the trout loss. The fight is hot now, so it's now or never besides he's not getting younger. I don't think Cotto is dumb enough to walk away now especially after he walked away already before and loss.

Cotto lost to Trout and beat Rodriguez and Cotto got a $10 millions offer from Canelo. What make you think that a lost vs Mayweather and a win vs anyone will not get the same treatment as before?

[Beater_of_ass]

Regarding your other post. You are seriously down playing the 2.2 millions by trying to say canelo looked like ****. We are talking about PPV buys, not performance. Listen dude, Cotto has been on PPV more times than Canelo since he's been around longer. High PPV numbers are about who you face period. If Cotto or Canelo fights a bum, they won't sell ****. Canelo fought angulo who hasn't been on PPV before did decent numbers. Same thing for lara, never been on PPV, hardcore fans just to know them, did decent numbers. Do you honestly believe Cotto would have done better numbers with those fights? Cotto did good numbers against mosley because he was a big name and been on ppv before. He did good numbers with Margarito 2 because of the controversy with the hand wraps, the rivalry, and the bad blood. I honestly take the cotto vs mayweather numbers with a grain of salt because canelo was on the undercard and he was already a big name in mexico and that's why he dipped from being on the mayweather undercard. Mayweather's numbers are slipping dude so that 35% might actually might be as big as you think and we all know the purse with Canelo will be bigger. Showtime can't afford to pay big purses anyway when they are paying mayweather 30+ million a fight. If Cotto is smart, he'll take the canelo fight.

Your performance is directly tied to your PPV buys, how do you not get the corralation? Manny was doing great against JMM, then got KTFO and now his PPV numbers are crap. Canelo just had a lot of people watching and he was a total bust, his epic failure was equivalent to the Broncos getting demolished by the Seahawks in the Super Bowl. That directly affects your PPV buys and drawing power so I'm not underrating the 2.2 million buys, you're overrating them. Cotto did 1.5 million with Floyd which puts Cotto behind Canelo who is still behind Oscar, don't make it seem like Cotto is one of Floyd's lower end buys, Canelo did bump him, but only by one spot. Canelo also had the benefit of an incredibly anticipated undercard which is why I bought the fight, not Canelo, I wasn't the only one. Canelo vs shot to **** Mosley 7 years after Cotto fought him did nothing for that PPV purchase with Cotto. If it did it certainly didn't have the power that Mattyse vs Garcia did, nowhere near it. Canelo was supposed to win and really Mosley did better than most people were expecting.

Also like you said Cotto has been around longer, which means he has a much more consistent record to look at. But he's got as many fights as Cotto so that shouldn't mean anything. So if you look at Canelo's stock he had a really strong opening matched by just a strong sudden crash. Cotto has the advantage of being a proven draw not just a flash in the pan and he deserves more. Especially if Canelo is picking the weight, the location and the venue. No, it doesn't work that way and Canelo is going to learn that real quick. Cotto brings more money to the table for Floyd and GGG and he's Canelo's only money.

[Nay_Sayer]

Do you think HBO forgot what Showtime did with Canelo going against their JCC Jr. PPV.

WTF are you talking about?

Baby Chavez has only headlined a PPV once - and that was against Martinez. The dueling cards you're speaking of were both broadcast on HBO and Showtime - NOT PPV.

[Carpe Diem]

i dont know why pacquiao or canelo is on there

khan is delusional, cotto and floyd speak almost exclusively in the third person

Both Manny and Canelo are divas when it comes to negotiation. Canelo has a false sense of entitlement. I guess you can always blame their promoters. Khan is both delusional and an egomaniac. With that being said, with the exception of, Floyd, Cotto, and maybe Canelo, Manny and Khan are very friendly and aren't too full of themselves outside the ring.