Pacquiao vs Algieri PPV numbers so low TR/HBO wont release them

[IMDAZED]

Do you have anything to add to the conversation ? Do you know anything about advertising revenue ?

My father worked in sports broadcast rights for years for network tv.

He says $10milUS for the estimated combined Phil and Chinese audience is pretty conservative.

Pacs fights where sold for P60mil a fight back in 2002.

Yeah, here's something: you're full of ****.

[DARKSEID]

I wouldn't be surprised if this fight went north of 800K

If the great white hype(the inspiration for this fight) taught us anything, it's that white pretty boy boxers sell tickets.

[elfag]

Dude, there is no way TR would revoke ESPN's main boxing writer his press credential.

He would revoke his cheesecake privileges. Fat dan cant have that.

[pnksntdead]

Good news if did poorly. Maybe they'll think twice about that Vargas fight now.

[creekrat77]

Wait people thought Algieri was a PPV star that would help Paq produce adequate numbers?

[mathed]

Look, these promoters are only in boxing for one reason, to make money. They aren't going to keep setting up fights (PPVs) if they are consistently coming out of pocket on every deal. I don't care what this guy, or that guy or such and such reporters claims to know....the first rule in business is if it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense.

And for this Manny walking away from 40M or whatever thing, he probably did it because it didn't make sense considering how BIG this fight is. To this day, the ONLY fight that people really care about is Pac-Floyd, nothing else is even on any PPV radar. If Floyd-Canelo can do 2 million buys (allegedly), then just how many buys do you guys think Pac-Floyd will do? 2.5 million, 2.75, 3? Even at 2.5 million buys and $80 a pop...$200,000,000. Pac takes $40 million of that while Floyd takes $100 million or more.

[Robbie Barrett]

Pac pays only 20% in the Philippines due to an offset from earning the money in China.

Because you know more than the Chief of the Philippines BIR about the taxes he would be charged in the Philippines?

[Scipio2009]

Pac pays only 20% in the Philippines due to an offset from earning the money in China.

... How can Manny Pacquiao receive offsets in China, when he didn't pay any taxes in China to begin with? Folks on this board have been ranting about the "tax free purse", in some twisted way, equalizing the payouts between Floyd and Manny. lol

[Scipio2009]

I wouldn't be surprised if this fight went north of 800K

If the great white hype(the inspiration for this fight) taught us anything, it's that white pretty boy boxers sell tickets.

If the fight had been at Madison Square Garden in New York or at the MGM Grand in Vegas, with Top Rank and HBO maximizing the promotional dollars behind hyping up the fight (4 episodes of 24/7 would've been a good start), the "great white hype" dynamic may have pushed the PPV buys past 600k-700k; doubt that even a promoter of Arum's "stature" could juice that number any higher.

That didn't happen. The fight was held in Macau, China on Sunday morning, with minimal dollars spent to market the event by HBO/TR and no push by Las Vegas Sands (owners of The Venetian and The Venetian Macau, in addition to other properties) to at least try and promote a closed-circuit event stateside, for at least the media attention.

If the fight did 300k buys, I'd be shocked (no latin fighter on the bill to even pander to the Mexican American audience with)

[ИATAS]

Look, these promoters are only in boxing for one reason, to make money. They aren't going to keep setting up fights (PPVs) if they are consistently coming out of pocket on every deal. I don't care what this guy, or that guy or such and such reporters claims to know....the first rule in business is if it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense.

Not really because as long as the casino's pay big time cash, and Macau is paying a ton of cash for Pacquiao, it doesn't really matter if a PPV only does, say, 250k. That's 250k x $60-$70 + plus the millions of dollars from the casino's and anyone else investing, so they make money regardless. This is why this fight was in Macau, way more money being paid than Vegas.

like I said when the fight was announced, I didn't mind the fight at all because you got a young undefeated champ, some fresh blood instead of recycled guys, but it wasn't PPV worthy, it should have been on regular HBO. Problem is you have X amount of people who are going to buy a Pacquiao PPV regardless, plus the insane amount of cash from the casino, so it's still way more money for them to have it on PPV even if the numbers are low.