Prime Tyson vs Prime Frazier

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cba reading the entire thread, but I'm assuming that Elroy1 has called Frazier a bum at some point.

[Weltschmerz]

Pathetic really that anyone would come to a forum in a thread about Frazier and Tyson, and discredit Ali who was not only a great champion, but also a great human being and who did more for boxing than anyone else ever did.

[Weltschmerz]

Nice to see you put so much thought into each comment, it clearly displays how much I've got under your skin...

News flash its a boxing forum!



Some people take things WAY too seriously.

LacedUp triggers easily when you dare criticize Ali.

[Wesker115]

cba reading the entire thread, but I'm assuming that Elroy1 has called Frazier a bum at some point.

Correction:

Featherfisted bum

LOL

[Wesker115]

On a more serious note....

Frazier wouldn't give two fcuks about Tyson's bad boy image and knockout percentage. But as a fast, powerpuncher, Tyson does pose a significant threat early on.

I think Joe takes Mike's heart, outworks him and stops him late.

[Elroy1]

Mike Tyson is a glorified street fighter hype job who was fed a steady diet of shopping cart pushers in his career. Every time he faced someone real he got knocked the f*** out. Frazier knocks his ass out. If Holyfield could do it, I'm sure Joe could too.

Your post was not worth a drop of piss in the outback mate.

Frazier was not 1/50th the boxer that Holyfield was.

There is good argument that a younger Tyson would have done better against the roided Holyfield, who at a more modest 205 (the original weight he'd of faced Tyson at before jail) would doubtfully have won.

And who were these other "real" boxers who KHTFO?

There were only 3 others...

Danny Williams, who Tyson won nearly every round against before he gassed and got caught by big punches from a 250+ lb guy

LEnnox Lewis, possibly the greatest HW of all time.

And Buster Douglas. You can point to Buster early in his career when Tyson was supposedly prime, BUT, Tyson whooped all the other top boxers of his era then who were ranked higher than Douglas and BEAT Douglas. So it lends EXTREME credence to the fact that Tyson was off, and Buster was right on!

In fact, I'll not defend Tyson in the Douglas fight. I'll credit Buster, he was a big, tall strong guy who boxed very well that night and kind of reminded me a bit of an on form Rid**** Bowe!

As for the steady diet of bums Tyson beat, from the moment Tyson won the title, he was NOT fighting bums. He fought good opposition until he went to jail. When he came back, he fought some more bums and THEN he fought again, TOP competition. Tyson was ALWAYS the money.

This guy flogged out Golota and Botha and Ruddock and Bruno and countless other rated boxers of the day.

Could you imagine a guy like Frazier trying to fight someone like Golota? Or Bruno?

Frazier doesn't even play in the same league as these guys and he certainly doesn't play in the same league as friggin Tyson!

It's an insult!

[Elroy1]

The Shavers fight was close, but Ali took it as Shavers let it go. Norton won his last fight with Ali, and Ali won over Young.

Everytime Ali is in a close fight, according to you he's beaten. What about the Berbick fight? He should have gotten the decision, no? Did he also lose the second Frazier fight? I'm guessing you also think he lost the Doug Jones fight, probably also think he drugged Foreman, Liston took a dive....

You are a very disturbed, small minded and pathetic human being.

So...

Are you saying Liston DIDN'T take a dive???

For the record??

[Elroy1]

On a more serious note....

Frazier wouldn't give two fcuks about Tyson's bad boy image and knockout percentage. But as a fast, powerpuncher, Tyson does pose a significant threat early on.

I think Joe takes Mike's heart, outworks him and stops him late.

Yes Joe wouldn't care about Mike's KO% against heavier boxers with much better records on average than the opponents Joe faced. He would not care about Tyson exceeding him many times fold in every relevant boxing department or his blood thirsty desire to destroy.

And that's why he'll be destroyed in seconds.

However big Joe's heart was. It was not big enough to stand up to Tyson!

I'm usually not expressing such kindness for Tyson.

Then again I'm not usually having to defend Tyson against such piss weak opposition either!

And as for mentioning Ali (Laced Up now) on a Frazier thread.. That's because they are both linked so closely. Without Ali, Frazier is a bum, without Frazier, Ali is reduced majorly. There mythologies were developed together.

[billeau2]

It isjust prior to the Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson first fight...a thread asks who would win. Everybody says, "Mike will kill Holyfield" so why doesn't Mike win this fight? I believe there is a simple reason for this: Mike was pushed back on his heels. Most fighters could, or would not push Mike backwards. Even Buster Douglas didn't really push Mike back and got knocked down for it when Mike was able to muscle in an uppercut.

Frazier's attack could conceviably push Mike backwards. If Frazier can do this with his great chin and fitness he could be a probem for Tyson. Tyson would get taken into deep water and drowned because like Hollyfield Frazier was relentless on the attack.

on the other hand if Mike gets to Frazier early and is not pushed back on his heels I think Mike wins in Forman like fashion. Joe could not get George back and George could push Frazier back and use his reach. Tyson has Foreman's strength but not his reach and that is what makes this match intriguing.

Tyson did show a propensity to take on guys who were volume punchers like Mike Spinks, but Frazier as a bona fide heavyweight probably could not be shut down and pushed backwards just on physical strength.

This fight is a toss up depending on who can get balance and position and WHEN they can get it. If Tyson gets it first he has the advantage, if Frazier can establish it some time...he gets the advantage. Want more proof? watch Mike start to tire against Razor Ruddock. Frazier might well get knocked down like Razor but unlike Ruddock Frazier would throw a lot more leather and I do not see Tyson lasting in this scenerio because Mike almost lost those fights against Razor late and all Razor did was lean and occasionaly throw a shot.

[Killer_of_Sheep]

Frazier would survive some troublesome moments and a couple of knockdowns to wear and stop Mike in the second half of the fight.

Mike didn't like fighters coming at him. Look at what holyfield did, cornered Tyson, made him work on the inside, smothered his punches, worked the body. Frazier would do something similar, the difference is that Frazier hit much harder and had better stamina than Holyfield (albeit not as good chin).

Frazier gets mightly underrated, but he's a beast H2H.