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I second Cyclone's post.
I seen all of those Ali fights, he also was never in the Lyle fight at all the whole time until the very end where he was gifted a weak stoppage, far less than Ali was hurt in his own fights that were allowed to continue. Lyle should have won that fight too.
Basically, Ali lost 10+ fights all up and received gift assistance in about 5 more and was treated luxuriously in about 5 others. He never convincingly beat Liston at all, a boxer who is the epitome of a bum fighter making Deontay Wilder's opposition look stellar, and Foreman punched himself out because he was dumb, he would have killed Ali in rematch. Ali even lost to a total bum in Earnie Shavers.
I watched that guy get smashed from pillar to post in nearly all of his fights by cruisers, bums and featherfists who could barely even box. The fact that Frazier and Ali struggled to beat each other is for me testament to just how bad these 2 boxers actually were.
And also testament to how revolutionary Tyson was, a mere 10 years later by comparison!
Frazier is only famous because of Ali who is only famous through gifts and hyping. Take this away and they are no different than any other bum Tyson flogged out.
Frazier vs Tyson = Marvis vs Tyson
Ali vs Tyson = Ratliff vs Tyson
Some commentary from the Ratliff fight:
"I wonder if Ratliff is gonna be on a 10 speed or a 12 speed this round"
"By backing up, all he's doing is giving Tyson momentum, and when you give Mike Tyson momentum, you've got some problems"
"The brand on his shorts read Spartan and I'd say that's an apt description of his performance"
"Ratliff isn't boxing at all, he's just trying to survive Larry"
"AAAAnd Ratliff continues, on the bike"
"I think that, Ratliff, really wants to fight Greg LeManz because he's on his bike!"
Sounds like typical comments regarding Clay/Ali of you ask me!!
I seen all of those Ali fights, he also was never in the Lyle fight at all the whole time until the very end where he was gifted a weak stoppage, far less than Ali was hurt in his own fights that were allowed to continue. Lyle should have won that fight too.
Basically, Ali lost 10+ fights all up and received gift assistance in about 5 more and was treated luxuriously in about 5 others. He never convincingly beat Liston at all, a boxer who is the epitome of a bum fighter making Deontay Wilder's opposition look stellar, and Foreman punched himself out because he was dumb, he would have killed Ali in rematch. Ali even lost to a total bum in Earnie Shavers.
I watched that guy get smashed from pillar to post in nearly all of his fights by cruisers, bums and featherfists who could barely even box. The fact that Frazier and Ali struggled to beat each other is for me testament to just how bad these 2 boxers actually were.
And also testament to how revolutionary Tyson was, a mere 10 years later by comparison!
Frazier is only famous because of Ali who is only famous through gifts and hyping. Take this away and they are no different than any other bum Tyson flogged out.
Frazier vs Tyson = Marvis vs Tyson
Ali vs Tyson = Ratliff vs Tyson
Some commentary from the Ratliff fight:
"I wonder if Ratliff is gonna be on a 10 speed or a 12 speed this round"
"By backing up, all he's doing is giving Tyson momentum, and when you give Mike Tyson momentum, you've got some problems"
"The brand on his shorts read Spartan and I'd say that's an apt description of his performance"
"Ratliff isn't boxing at all, he's just trying to survive Larry"
"AAAAnd Ratliff continues, on the bike"
"I think that, Ratliff, really wants to fight Greg LeManz because he's on his bike!"
Sounds like typical comments regarding Clay/Ali of you ask me!!
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