Prime Tyson vs Prime Frazier

[LacedUp]

No as su****ious as the apparently toughest man at that time going down from a punch that barely connected and had all the force of a feather duster behind it.

I don't care for the Islam lesson.

Yes he was surrounded by white men, he often sprouted propaganda and forced people to agree/cower to him as evidenced in interviews.

The stuff regarding the devil, his thoughts on many topics and yeah, the NOI spaceship thing etc was extremist activity bearing resemblance to an Islamic version of Scientology, do you see this yes or no? I dunno what you would call it. You have LIED and called it a peaceful organisation.

I would call such activities and beliefs a CULT.

And I don't really come here to discuss this stuff. I think he was bad, I am open to other opinion, but I'd rather discuss boxing.

As for my comment about him telling people in clinches that stuff, that was more or less an original quote given by Muhammad Ali himself. I do not have these interviews on speed dial but this one is not mistaken. I think it might have been Parkinson.

I didn't see a source in this post? Are you missing it or lying again?

I never said they were a peaceful organization, but they preached peace! Which is what Ali took up. After Malcom X was killed it led Ali to see things in a different light. You have to understand how he became involved.

You're talking as if Ali had a gun in his hand. It's ridiculous and uneducated.

Edit: He did not say no such thing on any of his interviews on Parkinson, I have seem them all multiple times.

You are basically talking a load of crap about something you have very very limited knowledge about, and extreme bias.

[soul_survivor]

Marvis was not much of a downgrade from his father Joe.

As Billeau would say, if you can't accept it..

They are rather comparable I'm sorry. That is a fact! The main difference being the difference in opposition they were subjected to..

Obviously!

Elroy, you are a fountain of wisdom

[soul_survivor]

I didn't see a source in this post? Are you missing it or lying again?

I never said they were a peaceful organization, but they preached peace! Which is what Ali took up. After Malcom X was killed it led Ali to see things in a different light. You have to understand how he became involved.

You're talking as if Ali had a gun in his hand. It's ridiculous and uneducated.

Edit: He did not say no such thing on any of his interviews on Parkinson, I have seem them all multiple times.

You are basically talking a load of crap about something you have very very limited knowledge about, and extreme bias.

man, just leave elroy, the guy is not just an uneducated boxing fan, he has race issues too imo. the fact that this somehow turned into an Ali bashing thread is evidence of that.

[Elroy1]

I didn't see a source in this post? Are you missing it or lying again?

I never said they were a peaceful organization, but they preached peace! Which is what Ali took up. After Malcom X was killed it led Ali to see things in a different light. You have to understand how he became involved.

You're talking as if Ali had a gun in his hand. It's ridiculous and uneducated.

Edit: He did not say no such thing on any of his interviews on Parkinson, I have seem them all multiple times.

You are basically talking a load of crap about something you have very very limited knowledge about, and extreme bias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-JEJDwW0w

3:40

Now you are free to question my comments and correct me when I am wrong but you never call me a liar again.

I simply call it how I see it.

I have never heard such outright racism tolerated anywhere else to this level.

You trying to tell me he wasn't racist, despite being in a racist cult and friends with these other guys is outrageous.

You think am biased and hate him, I think you are biased and in MAN LOVE with him.

One of us has a tattoo of him on ourselves don't they?

Perhaps it's YOU who is biased and IM merely being objective!

[LacedUp]

Speaking of Muhammad Ali and Parkinson, here's a quote from his first interview:

"Let's get things straight, I'm not involved in a power struggle. I'm not between black and white, we are not trying to get power over whites. I'm involved, I would say, in a freedom struggle. I wouldn't say power struggle, because that means I would get in power to do you like they did us. We're not trying to rule nobody, we're just trying to get out from under the evil rule of the past".

wow, what a racist huh Elroy?

[Elroy1]

man, just leave elroy, the guy is not just an uneducated boxing fan, he has race issues too imo. the fact that this somehow turned into an Ali bashing thread is evidence of that.

If you go back, as always, you will find that the path was led here not by myself, I merely went along for the ride.

As for race issues, you will never find a single racially motivated post of mine ever.

In fact I am constantly defending against it!

And as for boxing I have forgotten more than you know of it.

[LacedUp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-JEJDwW0w

3:40

Now you are free to question my comments and correct me when I am wrong but you never call me a liar again.

I simply call it how I see it.

I have never heard such outright racism tolerated anywhere else to this level.

You trying to tell me he wasn't racist, despite being in a racist cult and friends with these other guys is outrageous.

You think am biased and hate him, I think you are biased and in MAN LOVE with him.

One of us has a tattoo of him on ourselves don't they?

Perhaps it's YOU who is biased and IM merely being objective!

You can't be serious!? That's not what you said he said at all + he's clearly clowning.

But as he said 10 seconds before that sentence, people are so small minded that they take what they want to take from what he says.

Perhaps you fit better into 60s southern USA - then you could hate Ali all you want!

Yeah, I'm not going to deny this man inspired me a lot. Why would I? He's great. In fact, he's the greatest of them all.

You clearly have a personal vendetta towards him, quite sickening really. And embarrassing for you which is why you've been driven off this forum multiple times in the past with your other accounts, been banned + been banned from the history section.

[Elroy1]

Speaking of Muhammad Ali and Parkinson, here's a quote from his first interview:

"Let's get things straight, I'm not involved in a power struggle. I'm not between black and white, we are not trying to get power over whites. I'm involved, I would say, in a freedom struggle. I wouldn't say power struggle, because that means I would get in power to do you like they did us. We're not trying to rule nobody, we're just trying to get out from under the evil rule of the past".

wow, what a racist huh Elroy?

Some more original quotes from Muhammad Ali on Parkinson...

"You're a white man and your knowledge is nuttin' to a ******."
"My leader is Elijah Muhammad who preaches the doom of America"
"You and this TV show is nuttin' to Muhammad Ali. It ain't no way you can tackle me. All of you are tricky… the white Englishmen tricked us out of Africa"
"I am not just a boxer. I am told by Elijah Mohammed I am educated"
"I could talk all week a million of subjects and you [fingerpointing and shouting at Michael Parkinson] do not have enough wisdom to call on me on television… You are too small mentally to tackle me on nottin' that I represent"
"The ******s are the most respected people in America, we are the cleanest"
Ali: "It's a fact that white people hate black people"
Michael Parkinson: "That's not true"
Ali (interrupting): "What you mean it's not true? You're the biggest hypocrite in the world"
"How you gonna get me on a TV and trap me? Ain't no way. You can't beat me physically nor mentally"
To Michael Parkinson: "You are really a joke!"

Yes I see what you mean LacedUp..

Clearly the guy was clean living and took a very mediocre stance on the topic of race

Incredible. Your pal above, whatever his name was, tries to pull the race card on me for pointing out one of the biggest racists of all

[LacedUp]

Some more original quotes from Muhammad Ali on Parkinson...

"You're a white man and your knowledge is nuttin' to a ******."
"My leader is Elijah Muhammad who preaches the doom of America"
"You and this TV show is nuttin' to Muhammad Ali. It ain't no way you can tackle me. All of you are tricky***8230; the white Englishmen tricked us out of Africa"
"I am not just a boxer. I am told by Elijah Mohammed I am educated"
"I could talk all week a million of subjects and you [fingerpointing and shouting at Michael Parkinson] do not have enough wisdom to call on me on television***8230; You are too small mentally to tackle me on nottin' that I represent"
"The ******s are the most respected people in America, we are the cleanest"
Ali: "It's a fact that white people hate black people"
Michael Parkinson: "That's not true"
Ali (interrupting): "What you mean it's not true? You're the biggest hypocrite in the world"
"How you gonna get me on a TV and trap me? Ain't no way. You can't beat me physically nor mentally"
To Michael Parkinson: "You are really a joke!"

Yes I see what you mean LacedUp..

Clearly the guy was clean living and took a very mediocre stance on the topic of race

Incredible. Your pal above, whatever his name was, tries to pull the race card on me for pointing out one of the biggest racists of all

Which of those quotes is supposed to tell me Ali is the biggest racist ever that didn't actually kill someone?

You are picking out quotes from a website, no doubt.

If memory serves me right, Parkinson tried to call out Ali on the hypocrisy of Islam or something like that, which got Ali kind of mad because he didn't have anything prepared.

It was a sucker move by Parkinson anyway, and Ali absolutely owned him.

[Elroy1]

You can't be serious!? That's not what you said he said at all + he's clearly clowning.

But as he said 10 seconds before that sentence, people are so small minded that they take what they want to take from what he says.

Perhaps you fit better into 60s southern USA - then you could hate Ali all you want!

Yeah, I'm not going to deny this man inspired me a lot. Why would I? He's great. In fact, he's the greatest of them all.

You clearly have a personal vendetta towards him, quite sickening really. And embarrassing for you which is why you've been driven off this forum multiple times in the past with your other accounts, been banned + been banned from the history section.

I practically quoted him word for word and the point with this comment being, that combined with the Liston fiasco lends it credence if you remember that far back.

Yes he is one of the boxers I dislike the most, that's true. He is by far the most overrated boxer of all time who's career was heavily manufactured. But the only thing I can say I actually HATE which is a strong word is the mythology invented that surrounds him, perpetuated by people like you.

I intend only to expose the truth!

As for the last paragraph I wont even humour that with a response.