Freddie Roach: Amir Khan can beat Floyd Mayweather, Criticizes Hunter.

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    #21
    Originally posted by Tedkidlewis
    Certain trainers mainly work well with fighters from a young age upwards, like Floyd senior for instance. A lot of his techniques that work so well with Floyd Jnr is hard to teach a fighter late in the game and can sometimes damage a fighter because its not their natural style. This seems to be the case with a lot of father son teams. They know they're student better then anyone but it doesn't translate with others. I think Virgil Hunter fits in to this category and is why he has been so successful with Andre Ward but not other fighters...with that being said I feel Khan benefits in some areas of learning some of Wards techniques. Khan has definitely lost a bit of his sting but we are still yet to see if working with Hunter in the long term will benefit him. I definitely think Khan benefits from tying up when in close.
    Trainers like Freddie Roach and the late great Manny Steward fall in to the category of trainers that can work well with experienced fighter, because they work on their strengths, maybe tweak here and there but generally stay within the fighters natural boundaries. Manny Stewards philosophy was to always listen to the fighter.
    I agree that Khan and Manny Steward would have been a great fit, it's a shame that didn't happen.
    This next fight will be a real test for Amir. When any sports man has to relearn technique and how they go about applying their craft it can take time for that the bed in. At this stage in his career there really is only so much Hunter can do, so I'd agree that tying opponents up is probably the best course of action.

    Unfortunately (and I don't think Hunter would have been the man to rectify this had he been involved earlier), Amir has no inside game, which controversy aside, was painfully evident in the Peterson bout. He gives the impression that he's been allowed to train to his strengths, rather than fighting to his strengths and training his weaknesses.

    Stewart wouldn't have had him as an inside fighter because that clearly isn't what he's about but I dare say he would have given him the tools to nullify pressure fighters by punishing them as they try to come in. Many of his charges utilised the uppercut very well.

    With Roach Amir either brawled or held ineffectively when his opponent closed the distance to a point where he wasn't comfortable. To give Freddie a fair shout he clearly didn't want Khan stood in front of his opponents any way, he wanted him throw brief combos then switch the angle, for whatever reason Amir wouldn't always follow his instructions. Under Hunter he's learned how to effectively hold on the the inside.

    The reason he's done and does that though is because he hasn't been taught how to fight on the inside. In that manner his style is amateurish. Sadly I think it's indicative of modern boxing that fighters can get to world class level without grasping the basics.

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    • hectari
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      #22
      Holding repeatedly is against the rules, but guys like ward and Hopkins and Floyd get away with it. If khan holds Floyd he is screwed, Floyd is a better inside fighter and will keep throwing the short uppercut on Amir, khan has to flurry and move all night and use that reach, he needs to stop holding, all it will do is frustrate him when Floyd uses dirty tactics like inside elbows, laces ribbing on the face, choke holds and pushing the neck down, Floyd will do that to Amir all day. Floyd likes to fight guys he can grab he does that straight right and grab crap, which is not skill at all, it's bending the rules. Real skills defense guys are James toney who never held at all, he would roll the shoulder and counter or slip counter.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Uklad
        Thats cause he's NEVER fought a fast fighter apart from Just 1.



        Zab Judah the only fast fighter Floyd EVER fought . Floyd got Outboxed for 4 straight rounds and his gloves touched the canvas.



        Khan is faster than Zab while Floyd's not the same.
        Zab got beat up in round 3 and ended up losing the 4th round

        besides, speed isn't a style. Floyd doesn't struggle with fighters of Amir's style
        Originally posted by Reloaded
        Too advanced for these guys , Khan wont bother Floyd he will mentally crumble when Floyds timing and ring craft nullifys anything Khan can do .

        It will be an amateur against a pro , actually Khan is going to be very lucky to sc**** by Devon .
        pretty much

        he panics and is vulnerable to counters

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          #24
          Amir won't know what to do the moment Floyd outjabs him

          speed does not equate to skill

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            #25
            I think mayweathers straight right pot shots will seriously put the wobble on amir, but the guy isn't a finisher. Amir survives. I expect khan to win a close decision.

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              #26
              Khan sucks regardless of who his trainer is.

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                #27
                He looked more vulnerable and wild under Roach. Always looked open to counters and would panic on the inside. He looked more composed and patient against Collazo, but we'll see how he fares against a top 10 opponent in Alexander.

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                  #28
                  had hunter worked with khan from the very beginning he would be undefeated.

                  he would be utterly boring and become the pakistani andre ward but he would be undefeated.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Greed.
                    He looked more vulnerable and wild under Roach. Always looked open to counters and would panic on the inside. He looked more composed and patient against Collazo, but we'll see how he fares against a top 10 opponent in Alexander.
                    He looked completely lost against Julio Diaz once he got caught. The Alexander fight will determine his fate for sure.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Dr Rumack
                      He looked completely lost against Julio Diaz once he got caught. The Alexander fight will determine his fate for sure.
                      Agreed. But he's had a long time off since then, working at the gym without having to train for a specific opponent and just working on his overall game. I'm hopeful this and the fact he looks sturdy and healthy at WW will see him carve out a good string of wins.

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