Martinez is not and never was "slick."

[nivek535]

I said it was based on styles, nowhere did I say Sergio was overrated.

agreed.
any version of martinez, will be prone to cotto's left hook.
its the style and timing of cotto that won him.
not the no-legs.

[Outwest Exp 355]

I think he was a good MW. By being an undersized MW he was able to beat guys with his hand speed and athleticism. At JMW he was an average fighter. Moving up a division helped him maximize he's attributes. He had a pretty good career for someone that started boxing late.

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I think we need 10,000 more threads and some piecharts in a powerpoint presentation to explain thy this wasn't a meaningless fight against a clearly injured opponent lying for his retirement check.

Seriously just move on. It doesn't take anything away from the rest of Cotto's career to admit this fight was a dud. In fact the fake glorious victory you guys keep trying to sell seems to have diminished Cotto's reputation at least on this forum.

He went from almost universally beloved to Broner status because his fans won't stop pretending Sergio "was in top shape!!"

[DoktorSleepless]

Who gives a shit if the hit percentages are high if overall the opponent didn't land all that much. I think most Martinez opponents average around 13 punches per round on him. (notable exception being Williams due to high output) I remember in the Pavlik fight, Lampley said something like "Martinez fights when he wants to, which may not be when you want to." Martinez knew how to control the distance and keep fighters away from punching range, which tremendously limited punch outputs. And when oppponents were in punching range, opponents still threw very little because they were afraid of being countered. If you interview to all of Martinez' former opponents and told them Martinez was easy to hit, they would all laugh at you.

At most he got hit as much as a fighter with above average defense, which impressive because he fights with his hands down 95% of the time for god'd sake. It's impossible to survive fighting that way without being slick.

[bopbopbbe]

Cotto beat a bum kneed 40 year old thats all there is to it. Cotto is getting retired in his next fight.

[Chuckguy]

A healthy sexy ko's Cotto.
It's only Cotto stans that can't see it.
A healthy Sergio had decent movement was quick able to slip punches.
This gimp was just there for a payday.
He bent us all over

[Nicolino]

Martínez defense was all about his legs, he said it himself plenty of times, that's why he kept most of the time his hands down. Martínez was a counter puncher with fast legs, a strong jab and a killer left. His whole defensive strategy relied on his fast feet, so when his knee got injured, well, he pretty much was done.

[Beater_of_ass]

I almost took it serious until I read how you described Chavez. Chavez is big af. People never talk about the size difference when they speak on that fight. I was very impressed and Martinez was very slick in that fight. I actually think it was his toughest foe and his ATG performance.

Wait, so Chavez did train? He didn't test positive for weed after their fight? Someone called me a dumb Cotto fan, that's fine. But you and him are dumb boxing fans if you think the Chavez fight was some great performance. Chavez is a D class figher, his best win is Andy Lee FFS.

[Beater_of_ass]

Who gives a shit if the hit percentages are high if overall the opponent didn't land all that much. I think most Martinez opponents average around 13 punches per round on him. (notable exception being Williams due to high output) I remember in the Pavlik fight, Lampley said something like "Martinez fights when he wants to, which may not be when you want to." Martinez knew how to control the distance and keep fighters away from punching range, which tremendously limited punch outputs. And when oppponents were in punching range, opponents still threw very little because they were afraid of being countered. If you interview to all of Martinez' former opponents and told them Martinez was easy to hit, they would all laugh at you.

At most he got hit as much as a fighter with above average defense, which impressive because he fights with his hands down 95% of the time for god'd sake. It's impossible to survive fighting that way without being slick.

How are you slick when nearly every guy lands 40-50% of their power punches on you?

[Beater_of_ass]

Martínez defense was all about his legs, he said it himself plenty of times, that's why he kept most of the time his hands down. Martínez was a counter puncher with fast legs, a strong jab and a killer left. His whole defensive strategy relied on his fast feet, so when his knee got injured, well, he pretty much was done.

Do you practice ****** or does it just come natural? If his feet were so important how come the fight when he injured a second time (Murray) was when he got hit the least? Please explain this to me.