How would Klitschko's career have looked without the use of illegal tactics?

[LacedUp]

I agree. Only reason I like it is because I know how bad Freedom wants to comment even though he can't. Hahaha

[beez721]

Peter almost koed him, Sanders destroyed him, purity....then there was the exhausted affair with brewster...you can only make so many excuses junior...Face it!

With lewis its a different story. he got hit with two giant shots. He was not outclassed, and he avenged both fights relatively easily....Not so for Vlad. He got to Brewster late and would never fight Sanders...so face the music. Chagaev huh? my wife punches harder than that Russian powder fist, you insult my intelligence once agian junior, your teachers keep calling me for a reason Stay in school! you need to

I don't think peter almost ko'd him. 2 of those 3 knockdowns were rabbit punches and part pushes. peter actually took the much bigger beating despite not being floored. I don't think he was ever the same after that fight. his punch resistance went down after that. I also disagree about chagaev. I think he had descent power at that time. I agree that lennox had a better chin tho. those two knockout losses were from bombs he walked right into and he did avenge them in style. I think both lennox and wlad are great fighters. lennox was obviously a few pegs above

[Elroy1]

without holding and clinching so much once he hooked up with Steward, Wlad surely would have been KTFO several more times by the average and below average fighters he faced. It completely changes his legacy and his place in history.

Listen up Floyd Sr, Jr, Uncle Roger, or whatever member of TMT "YOU" are

How can you consider a guy like WK weak chinned when he fought among the heftiest opposition on record and more of them than any other boxer in history, and in all that time only ONCE got his chin cracked, which involved a sandwich headbutt that would have squashed anybody's head, after which he still got up several times and even finished the fight on his feet?

It doesn't make any sense does it? We could equally say that about your boy (if it isn't Floyd anyway), but again, it doesn't really make much sense does it?

Anyway sure. I think without clinching the risk to WK is somewhat higher..

He'd have been a more spectacular fighter with more aggressive early KO's.

He'd probably only have been KO'ed once more (likely by Peter in the 1st fight) and certainly no more than 2ce.

And still have been dominant.

Now why the **** would anybody argue this^^^

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I say, if you want to watch a human punching bag, watch Muhammad Ali, watch Frazier!

If you want to watch an almost perfect and impenetrable display of boxing acumen, then watch Wladimir.

And that got him pushed off America television. How does that feel?

you got that right!

[Chuckguy]

I'm sorry but I can't stand watching vlad fight. He is robotic and boring. Then on top of that he grabs and holds his opponents head down then leaves his left hand out to measure the right. All that is illegal. I'll take head butts over vlads boring style. If he was American I would feel the same way
Tht being said I enjoy vitalis fights. He drops his hands throws combos and foesnt hold and clinch nearly half as much

[daggum]

Listen up Floyd Sr, Jr, Uncle Roger, or whatever member of TMT "YOU" are

How can you consider a guy like WK weak chinned when he fought among the heftiest opposition on record and more of them than any other boxer in history, and in all that time only ONCE got his chin cracked, which involved a sandwich headbutt that would have squashed anybody's head, after which he still got up several times and even finished the fight on his feet?

It doesn't make any sense does it? We could equally say that about your boy (if it isn't Floyd anyway), but again, it doesn't really make much sense does it?

Anyway sure. I think without clinching the risk to WK is somewhat higher..

He'd have been a more spectacular fighter with more aggressive early KO's.

He'd probably only have been KO'ed once more (likely by Peter in the 1st fight) and certainly no more than 2ce.

And still have been dominant.

Now why the **** would anybody argue this^^^

holmes beat butterbean. i think we have to have holmes as the greatest of all time because butterbean is a hefty man.

[daggum]

I don't think peter almost ko'd him. 2 of those 3 knockdowns were rabbit punches and part pushes. peter actually took the much bigger beating despite not being floored. I don't think he was ever the same after that fight. his punch resistance went down after that. I also disagree about chagaev. I think he had descent power at that time. I agree that lennox had a better chin tho. those two knockout losses were from bombs he walked right into and he did avenge them in style. I think both lennox and wlad are great fighters. lennox was obviously a few pegs above

what's that based on though? he has never ko'd anyone good. he went the distance with travis walker i mean lol! talk about pillow punching.

[yoz]

what's that based on though? he has never ko'd anyone good. he went the distance with travis walker i mean lol! talk about pillow punching.

[Weltschmerz]

Come on welts-wlad needed the wise sage of man whose hair and skin was the same as Jesus in order to become the force he has.

Steward saved his chin from further damage. without steward, he likely keeps eating shots in fights and is in more trouble than he should be. the more damage, the weaker the chin gets. think about how far he has come since before manny.

Good thing for the klit lovers wlad isn't as close minded as his fans.

The weak Vlad chin is a bit of a myth. Sanders was a tremendous puncher and most other would have been KOed cold by the punishment he dished out vs Vlad. Vladimir has never been knocked out cold, like Lennox was vs Rahman for instance. Most champions are stopped at some point in their career, I don't see why Vlad should be particularly bad in this case.

And if you are talking clinches, we have the anniversary of Rumble in the Jungle now, look how much Ali tied up Foreman. That made for an ugly fight too.

[Elroy1]

holmes beat butterbean. i think we have to have holmes as the greatest of all time because butterbean is a hefty man.

Butterbean is a "bum beater".

And butterbean is NOT a "conditioned" heavy boxer like Wlad's opponents are.

That is why you must delete bums off records for accurate comparisons, to make sure that guys like Sonny Liston and Butterbean, who barely beat a decent opponent, don't trump real champions.

Butterbean additionally fought mostly 4 rounders, because he didn't have the stamina to go 10 or 12.

Wladimir's opponents ,being top ranked were always 12 rounds once he was a titlist, as were his opponents.