Has Ward fought anyone as skilled/good as Kovalev/Golovkin?

[King_]

Politics happen im the world of boxing, you know that... murray is the front runner to land the fight in feb.

Geale beat alot of unknowns which in turn made him a relatively unknown fighter going into the GGG fight.....froch gained noteriety fighting guys like taylor and then being runner up in the super six tourney... so i dont agree with your Geale=froch. Comparison.... froch>geale imo

Dude Geale beat Sturm. Sturm was a top 5 MW and he took his belt in Germany. Sturm was as legit a champion as there is. The popular myth on boxing sites over the past few years was that Sturm was a paper champ, but in his most recent reign.... he voluntarily defended against Murray, Macklin and unified against Geale. ALL top MW's. Geale also fought Barker and lost (Froch lost to Kessler.) Barker was a top MW. Was Barker average, is Geale average?

Maybe. But what's Froch? Exactly the same. You wanna call those guys average, top MW's in a weak era? Fine. But being top in a weak era is exactly what Froch/Kessler/Abraham/Bika were as well, which is one of the things I'm saying in this thread.


Geale was as proven as Froch/Kesser/Abraham/Bika were when they fought "the top guys who made them top fighters for fighting them."



The hypocrisy I pointed out in my OP is alive and kicking in this thread, as evident by Larry and Lords. They couldn't give a response. They don't have one because there isn't any. I'm either crazy or what I'm saying in this thread is true.... (besides the opinionated stuff like I think Golovkin/Kovalev beat Ward, etc)

[LouIE G]

Dude Geale beat Sturm. Sturm was a top 5 MW and he took his belt in Germany. Sturm was as legit a champion as there is. The popular myth on boxing sites over the past few years was that Sturm was a paper champ, but in his most recent reign.... he voluntarily defended against Murray, Macklin and unified against Geale. ALL top MW's. Geale also fought Barker and lost (Froch lost to Kessler.) Barker was a top MW. Was Barker average, is Geale average?

Maybe. But what's Froch? Exactly the same. You wanna call those guys average, top MW's in a weak era? Fine. But being top in a weak era is exactly what Froch/Kessler/Abraham/Bika were as well, which is one of the things I'm saying in this thread.


Geale was as proven as Froch/Kesser/Abraham/Bika were when they fought "the top guys who made them top fighters for fighting them."



The hypocrisy I pointed out in my OP is alive and kicking in this thread, as evident by Larry and Lords. They couldn't give a response. They don't have one because there isn't any. I'm either crazy or what I'm saying in this thread is true.... (besides the opinionated stuff like I think Golovkin/Kovalev beat Ward, etc)

Solimon beat sturm too bro that dont mean sam was top five and honestly sam sucks so what should that say about sturm and geale?

[daggum]

Do you agree with what I'm saying about Froch/Kessler/Bika/Abraham?


I can never tell if you're being sarcastic.

yes i agree. those guys all have similar styles. not bika but hes not elite. they are all mid range boxer punchers with very slow feet.

[MDPopescu]

Froch and Kessler are better. Especially in the years he fought them. I mean Froch went on to KO undefeated Bute and undefeated Groves twice. Kessler went on to beat Froch and KO Green. Also, both Froch and Kessler went on to become champions again. Froch holds two belts and is #1 ranked SMW.

IMO, Edwin Rodriguez beats Golovkin in similar fashion to Grachev, but in later rounds. I know i'll have rocks thrown at me and be chased with pitchforks for that, but Rodriguez style and size is all wrong for GGG. Rodriguez is better than anyone GGG has fought, for sure.

Now Bute (the bump who beat nobody) became the reason for which Ward is so big?

[King_]

Solimon beat sturm too bro that dont mean sam was top five and honestly sam sucks so what should that say about sturm and geale?

But Froch barely beat Dirrell, almost went the distance and got dropped against a shot Jermain Taylor, went the distance with the living corpse of Glen Johnson (POWER is one thing that makes him special, eh?) and was getting outboxed by George Groves before knocking him out...... so what does that say about Froch?



Dirrell was unproven in the pros....... Wait. Does the eyetest matter here? Does the eyetest count for Dirrell (amateur pedigree, can clearly tell he's skilled by watching) because he fought Froch and Froch fought Ward. If so, the eyetest has to count for Kovalev/Golovkin.

[King_]

yes i agree. those guys all have similar styles. not bika but hes not elite. they are all mid range boxer punchers with very slow feet.

Oh okay.



Froch, Kessler, Bika, nor Abraham were elite. If Geale was a top MW but wasn't an elite fighter and average at everything...... same can be said for all of those guys.


All four of those guys were products of a terrible division and weak era. If Pulev, Povetkin (top HW's. the best the era has to offer) wouldn't be "competitive in any other era" and that takes legitimacy away from Wlad. Same with Golovkin and his division...... Same should apply to Ward. But it doesn't to guys like Larry and Lords. Hence the hypocrisy in this thread/OP/on this site.


Froch, Bika, Kessler and Abraham were plodding caveman with no skill other then tough guy-barroom brawler attributes. Nobody has yet attempted to say what made them "special," besides Kev. And if nothing made them special.... then surely everything I said in this thread has to be true.

[daggum]

Oh okay.



Froch, Kessler, Bika, nor Abraham were elite. If Geale was a top MW but wasn't an elite fighter and average at everything...... same can be said for all of those guys.


All four of those guys were products of a terrible division and weak era. If Pulev, Povetkin (top HW's. the best the era has to offer) wouldn't be "competitive in any other era" and that takes legitimacy away from Wlad. Same with Golovkin and his division...... Same should apply to Ward. But it doesn't to guys like Larry and Lords. Hence the hypocrisy in this thread/OP/on this site.


Froch, Bika, Kessler and Abraham were plodding caveman with no skill other then tough guy-barroom brawler attributes. Nobody has yet attempted to say what made them "special," besides Kev. And if nothing made them special.... then surely everything I said in this thread has to be true.

well froch and kessler were elite at 168 when it comes to my definition of elite which is beating good competition in your division for at least a couple years. they both did that. no carlos baldomir nonsense. was the competition they faced great historically? probably not but i think froch's resume is very good. he beat a bunch of the best guys in the division. some people say calzaghe's win over lacy was great but that dude didn't beat a soul. bute was a much better fighter than him. but you are right that they have an easy style for ward. ward didn't fight a guy like dirrell with speed and movement, he didnt' fight a counterpunching southpaw like bute, he didn't fight a big punching southpaw like stevenson. ward gets credit for beating some good fighters but he did so in a dubious manner and they basically had the same style. if he wants to be really great he needs to beat other people and in a legitimate fashion. no holding garbage. i don't think he will do that. i think he's a bi-tch.

[NearHypnos]

Who have Golovkin and Kovalev beat to match Froch's resume? Let alone Ward.. Froch beat Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Kessler, Bute, etc and at least FOUGHT Ward. One of Ward's opponents did all that...

Neither (GGG and Kovalev) have really fought anyone as successful as the guys Froch beat let alone someone as good as Froch.. There's Geale (underrated win imo) but it's ONLY Geale. I'm a massive fan of both GGG and Kova but let's not kid ourselves with resume.

[King_]

Who have Golovkin and Kovalev beat to match Froch's resume? Let alone Ward.. Froch beat Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Kessler, Bute, etc and at least FOUGHT Ward. One of Ward's opponents did all that...

Neither (GGG and Kovalev) have really fought anyone as successful as the guys Froch beat let alone someone as good as Froch.. There's Geale (underrated win imo) but it's ONLY Geale. I'm a massive fan of both GGG and Kova but let's not kid ourselves with resume.

Okay. Can you respond to this post?



Come on Larry.... or anybody else. Are you guys going to tell me what makes Froch, Kessler, Abraham or Bika special???? (besides them all fighting each other)


Can anybody disprove what I'm saying of them: (aside from Kessler) They're all tough guys with good chins, none of them are good boxers, all of them mindlessly plod forward and they're all slow. None of them has better then above-average power and none of them have the complete skillset that Kovalev and Golovkin possess.


Anybody?

[MRCHOKEaMF]

lol, this guy is a troll, Ward won a gold medal, hasnt lost a fight since he was 12, beat the best at his class all the way through the tournament, and GGG beat WHO? They admitted they were going for weak opponents to get him some notoriety, and only the people that dont know this thinks he's fought murderous row, they ducked Ward admittedly and the cuban called him out the guy that just fought alvarez, and they ducked him, he said he'd come up or they can fight at 160. they didnt want none, this guy is nothing, and means nothing. He's only noticed cause of his ko's but wilder has done the same except he's ko'd everyone. his color is the only reason he's recognized cause the bronze bomber has done KO'd more at a higher weight class. A boxer with skills will beat this hype job. Just like the "machine" when he got in there with someone who could take his power he got beat, cause he's used to taxi drivers who worked overtime that weak. And you guys are the reason he will never get any credit. tell that ducker tho fight a living body, rubio has grey hair and thats what got him into p4p. so please enough of this garbage. The guy who started this needs to stfu, and making excuses. hes obviously a ggg nutlicker.