Why aren't Ward fans calling for him to move up?

[IronDanHamza]

But they would not move to that weight for Cotto. Real dumb argument. Since they're willing to do it for Floyd and not Cotto, maybe theyre ducking Cotto?

How is it dumb? it's basically the same (ridiculous) scenario.

"If you're the champ at 160 you should fight all challengers that can make 160"

Don't you agree with that statment? Iole does and we know you're now a big fan of Iole's work

[MrRolltide91]

How is it dumb? it's basically the same (ridiculous) scenario.

"If you're the champ at 160 you should fight all challengers that can make 160"

Don't you agree with that statment? Iole does and we know you're now a big fan of Iole's work

[HeroBando]

That last sentance applys for Cotto-Ward and Cotto-Hopkins aswell All they've actually done though, much like Golovkin, is claim they can make it, despite not being there in many years. So I don't think Cotto is ducking those two just like I don't think Mayweather is ducking Golvokin and all 3 notions at ridiculous.

As for Trout and Canelo why are you telling me that? I didn't say you couldn't make 154 whilst being in the 170's on fight night. I said he was 173 which a makes your story doubtful, and also shows he's not a small MW.

Probably isn't 5 lbs on clothes but even if it was it still makes you story doubtful.

Dude just stop it with Cotto, its so dumb.

Lotsa guesswork there vs Iole's hard numbers. Whatever excuse works

[MrRolltide91]

Ok and none of those spent over a decade fightif at middleweight so it's not the same.

Yeah Golovkin could probably make it if he completely killed himself like Dawson did but why would anyone want to see that?

Again Hearns is completely different because he made 147. Golvokin hasn't made 154.

He's in his 30's and hasn't been lower than MW in over a decade I hate to be a parrot but the chances of him moving down in weight healthy is very unlikely.

yea some people don't give ward credit for that fight because dawson was "weight drained"

[HeroBando]

How is it dumb? it's basically the same (ridiculous) scenario.

"If you're the champ at 160 you should fight all challengers that can make 160"

Don't you agree with that statment? Iole does and we know you're now a big fan of Iole's work

To be a challenger you have to challenge the guy. Makes sense? That didnt happen, right? So what are you failing to understand again?

[IronDanHamza]

Dude just stop it with Cotto, its so dumb.

Lotsa guesswork there vs Iole's hard numbers. Whatever excuse works

Yes I agree it is very dumb to suggest he's ducking someone 2 weight classes above his ideal weight class, I agree.

So I see your new argument now is "you have to mention names" as if those magic words actually change anything

So hypothetically if Hopkins, an 5+ year light heavyweight, who said previously he would go to 160, "mentioned Cotto's name" then Cotto, Jr MW, would be ducking him.

"Oh he mentioned his name? Oh well that changes everything. It's literally just words, those words being the only difference to the scenario but those words mean so much"

The scenarios are basically identical. Both are ridiculous as one an other.

[HeroBando]

yea some people don't give ward credit for that fight because dawson was "weight drained"

True however Ward could have easily moved up to grab that second lineal belt. All the credit was there for him to take. He's never moved up once. Floyd has peaked at his 5th division, which is pretty good. Wouldnt expect him to move up again. He'd get credit for Ggg at Sww, unless its some catchweight business again

[Showtime..]

Hopkins would beat Ward so badly it'd be ugly.. Kovalev would stop him.. Stevenson would stop him.. Dawson would do better in the rematch.. He still duckin' Bute doe.

[MrRolltide91]

True however Ward could have easily moved up to grab that second lineal belt. All the credit was there for him to take. He's never moved up once. Floyd has peaked at his 5th division, which is pretty good. Wouldnt expect him to move up again. He'd get credit for Ggg at Sww, unless its some catchweight business again

I still don't know why dawson offer to come down to 168 to fight ward.

[IronDanHamza]

To be a challenger you have to challenge the guy. Makes sense? That didnt happen, right? So what are you failing to understand again?

You have a slight problem with this one because your man Iole didn't mention anything about a "challenger".

"If you're a 154-pound champion, then you should be ready, willing and able to fight anyone who can make the 154-pound limit"

Oops.

Ward and Hopkins say they can make 160 so he should fight them, no? That's what your guy Iole is saying and we know you take his word as gospel since last week